xxxx and IMOC-UK

[Icsunonove]

Rules section - link at top of everypage, where message link etc is.

For those who are not aware:

http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4380

Is there some sort of operation performed on solicitors which removes their ability to realise sarcasm? ...must be all that tort.

Andy, you must realise solicitors aren't all that bright

Even me Tom?

Errrm Malcolm, depends if you are dressed in your "outfit".

[anna]

Michael - you on for bouncy boxing?...

Only if it's bare knuckle.

That an offer?

[Tiamat]

Rules section - link at top of everypage, where message link etc is.

For those who are not aware:

http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4380

Is there some sort of operation performed on solicitors which removes their ability to realise sarcasm? ...must be all that tort.

Sorry Andy, not been a good week and with everything else going on sarcasm is the last thing I am looking for.

Right now I'd rip a gorilla's arm off for a cigarette and a coffee!

[Icsunonove]

Errm, Anna / Michael,

Please read the rules (I'm sure I've seen them somewhere )

No personal attacks.

I'll have to moderate you both if you don't behave!

[Tiamat]

Errm, Anna / Michael,

Please read the rules (I'm sure I've seen them somewhere )

No personal attacks.

I'll have to moderate you both if you don't behave!

Moderate [edited by admin] this you [edited by admin] before I [edited by admin] you [edited by admin]

[skinthespin]

Just for the record ive not personnally attacked anyone here, so don't know why I was included in the 'skinthespin vs ryan' thing. Ive mentioned no ones name other than Tims, and even then not personnally attacked him, so why threaten me with a formal warning and accuse me of having a slanging match!??!?!

[anna]

Just for the record ive not personnally attacked anyone here, so don't know why I was included in the 'skinthespin vs ryan' thing. Ive mentioned no ones name other than Tims, and even then not personnally attacked him, so why threaten me with a formal warning and accuse me of having a slanging match!??!?!

Sorry - I retract that, it was just hypothetical (in case you or ryan do want one).

Everyone just stick to the rules. Job done.

[skinthespin]

No worries, your forgiven

*dons sumo suit*

[EdMR2]

Ok anna, understood.

I know this whole situtation have stired up alot of problems, and Tim's expressed that many times that this wasn't his intentsion, He feels that some of his warnings were wrong, but accepts that it was your decission to make and accepts the Ban/Removal of Affiliate status as being descussed at the moment.

I know we both feel this whole thread now has turned into a big slagging match for everyone just to air there feelings has gotten a little out of hand and maybe it should be laid to rest now.

Hopefully i'll be allowed to remain on imoc as a representative of xxxx, and conduct myself in a professional manner.

Tim's only regret from this is that he won't be able to continue helping the members with there problems like hes done in the past as using IMOC purely for sales was never his intensions from the start.

Ed.

[Lauren]

Ok anna, understood.

I know this whole situtation have stired up alot of problems, and Tim's expressed that many times that this wasn't his intentsion, He feels that some of his warnings were wrong, but accepts that it was your decission to make and accepts the Ban/Removal of Affiliate status as being descussed at the moment.

I know we both feel this whole thread now has turned into a big slagging match for everyone just to air there feelings has gotten a little out of hand and maybe it should be laid to rest now.

Hopefully i'll be allowed to remain on imoc as a representative of xxxx, and conduct myself in a professional manner.

Tim's only regret from this is that he won't be able to continue helping the members with there problems like hes done in the past as using IMOC purely for sales was never his intensions from the start.

Ed.

k.

[luthor1]

Tim's only regret from this is that he won't be able to continue helping the members with there problems like hes done in the past as using IMOC purely for sales was never his intensions from the start.

Ed.

ROFLMAO!!!

[EdMR2]

luthor1 why say that?

i know for a fact hes spent many hours on this forum trying to talk members through there problems,

Not to mention spending many hours working on customers cars and setting up various modifications and asking nothing more than a simple thankyou.

Tim's actually fighting to be allowed back on imoc but with a none affiliate status, if he was only interested in making money from the members why would he be trying so hard to get back on imoc, where all he'll be allowed to do is help people as advertising from this none affiliate account wouldn't be allowed?

show me one other "affiliate" that does that.................

Ed.

[Tex P155]

luthor1 why say that?

i know for a fact hes spent many hours on this forum trying to talk members through there problems,

Not to mention spending many hours working on customers cars and setting up various modifications and asking nothing more than a simple thankyou.

Tim's actually fighting to be allowed back on imoc but with a none affiliate status, if he was only interested in making money from the members why would he be trying so hard to get back on imoc, where all he'll be allowed to do is help people as advertising from this none affiliate account wouldn't be allowed?

show me one other "affiliate" that does that.................

Ed.

I don't think there's ever been any doubt that Tim will help his customers as much as he can. The 'developments' bit of his handle is a bit misleading as I doubt he's ever developed anything, he seems to be simply a trader. The problem arises I think from the way he interacts with other traders. ON the OC I remember him putting up a news item where he chose not to promote his goods by telling everyone how good they were, but he by flaming every other traders products, which is totally unprofessional. If you can't sell your goods on their own quality then slagging off other people is only going to breed problems.

[luthor1]

(All of this is IMO)

Most of the time I've read Tim in topics posting away, he has came across as very close to narcissitic.

At the very least he takes things extremely personally, and with the other 'moods' he gets (see: formal warnings and ultimate ban) doesn't realise the results of his action; indeed I think he does see the result of his actions, just doesn't believe the consequences will ACTUALLY HAPPEN TO HIM. He believe he is above the rules, hence the fact he's a nice guy *AT THE SAME TIME* as getting 4 formal warnings. See how that works? I think that's the root of all the conflict in this thread.

He doesn't think the rules apply to him due to his self-image. therfore he can be both a fantastic guy, and the guy who gets 4 formal warnings and banned from the IMOC.

Mods: moderate if you feel the urge...

[simmo490]

i agree totally with what you are saying. he does think "ahh i am the guy everyone likes, they wont ban me"

however now they have. i belive they are thinking of letting him back on again as a normal member, although i dont totally agree with this, i do belvie we will see a big change in tim for the better, hopefully proving himself and maybe one day gaining affiliate status again.

just hope if they do let him back on he really really does nead to realise he is on a shoe string and just not to take things personal and maybe change for the better

simmo

[DavidM]

So what we need clarifying is....
Is the life ban imposed just for Tim as an affiliate or for Tim as an individual?
I thought the formal warnings were issued against Tim for "his" behaviour. So I cannot understand why he'd be allowed back on as an individual even if he is/was a very helpful guy.
Having said that, then as an affiliate perhaps theres an argument that as a lot of people made use of Tim's knowledge, help and products then xxxx should still be able to post in just their own section of the Affiliates area. That way fellow IMOC members would still be able to benefit from Tim/xxxx.

I maybe way off mark here but it's just my take on the last couple of pages hinting that a way is being investigated for Tim to return whilst still appearing to uphold the IMOC rules

[Icsunonove]

We hope to have this resolved as soon as possible. Then I expect we will be able to clarify everything for everyone

Until then I'm afraid we can't give too much information out , I'm sure you'll understand why

[EdMR2]

There has always been a big thing on this forum regarding a name; it's always complained about the name "developments" with people saying nothing has actually been developed.

xxxx first product nearly 5 years ago were custom roof pods, no-one had done this before so I believe that development into there fit and finish, Turbo kits don't just make themselves, there not just a direct copy of anything, there are alot of new parts which makes the kits unique to the other ones on the market, He's also doing development into Twin Scroll GT Turbo kits at the moment, that's not been done before, and using a total custom made exhaust .ar housing..............how can you say there is no development involved in this company?

I don't see anyone moaning about Rogue or Sbits name seeing they were both started with absolutely nothing to do with mr2's but the name was just carried over to there new ventures.............

I won't get into any of the legal side of the discussion, but Tim's main concern was to be able to come back and help the members, if that's not wanted then we won't bother. I just think its funny that certain members on here are so two faced, before all this happened they were happy to have Tim spending hours helping them with no charge, then when he can't defend himself there backstabbing, I just see that as people taking advantage of his generous nature, there worse than scum in my opinion. Its actions like that which got him removed from this forum in the first place.

Ed.

[EdMR2]

Tim's already admitted his biggest problem is he takes things to personally and I know he stresses out to much with this business. The fact of getting banned was always on his mind but human nature can only take so much abuse before it fights back. 90% of the people posting on this thread regarding the ban Tim's received don't know or understand the full facts behind it, Imoc hasn't even seen the full facts as a lot of the evidence were off imoc and weren't considered. The comments which resulted in the final warning were in response about this abuse he received. He's admitted he shouldn't have said anything yet still, people are judging him without knowing the full facts, The full facts weren't even taken into consideration by imoc when this ban was issued.

If the haters on here actually know what Tim's been through over the last year I'm sure they'd totally understand.

I mean come on the guys been working flat out for the last 5 years with no day off, he's always helping people and asks for nothing more than a thankyou. He's doing 2 customers cars today for people and another one Monday and not even expecting payment for it. So I can't see how people can say he's always got intentions just to make money.

If anything Tim's biggest problems is he cares to much with this business and people take advantage, Because of this he's very opinionated and takes things to heart to often which often results in something being said which is often later regretted.

Lets not make him out to be some kind of mental psycho, the guy works hard to go out of his way to help people any way he can. I know for a fact there aren't many people on this forum who could say the same thing.

Ed

[anna]

'Ed', I suggest if you want a quite life, you do not post to this thread for now.

As to the allegations made in your replies about IMOC and it's conduct, I suggest you think very long and hard before accusing IMOC of misconduct.

If you/tim are unable to separate 'what goes on through IMOC' and 'that which doesn't', then I'm at a loss what to suggest.
However, Tim is responsible for his own behaviour. I can fully appreciate that he may have received harsh treatment by others (although I am not aware of any proof that he has), it is not appropriate to use the resources that IMOC as a club provides to get his own back. There has been repeated abhorrent use of the club, this is not acceptable, and claiming that 'someone else started it' is quite frankly childish.

IMOC do not want to know about any 'full facts' if they do not concern the misuse of IMOC. What goes on outside is the concern of the police, and we'd suggest he contact them if there is any issue.


Tim has been banned because his misuse and treatment of IMOC, which is an enthusiasts club, run by volunteers. Perhaps if he looked at it that way, he'd be sorry for his conduct, rather than blaming others for his personal conduct.