[Mk2] [Turbo] Beware Of Expensive Jap Crap

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I agree with some of the comments, but....

The reason so many companies make exhausts with mild steel is because mild steel deals with the heat far better.

And I thought it was because Mild Steel is a lot cheaper... And easier to weld...

[cantfindausername]

Cheers Alex, much appreciated

[2Crooky]

Mild steel is cheaper yes......

As for easier to weld......I really don't know as i am not a fabricator.

I'm not bothered what grade/type steel is used to make an exhaust because i take good enough care of my systems on a weekly basis. There is no reason an exhaust should rot through or rust badly unless the car is left standing for condensation to build or just simply down to poor care.

Oh and one other selling point of the dep 2.......It sounds fookin Not too loud, but not quiet by any means, just the right level of base and growl

Now my 9th exhaust and so far i have no reason to get rid of her

[BLZ-8027]

i have had problems with my depature 2 , cracked in the Y pipe that joins the 2 boxes and the stainless parts have surface rust. i like the exhaust too much to sell it tho, so instead i am going to go to piper exhausts and get some stainless pipes made up to replace the mild pipes. and get me mate to make 2 stainless plates that go on the back of the cans to which the pipe enters into.

Dude, if you do get a price, can you let me know as I'l probs get this done to mine too. The exhaust is far to special to just bin.

And me please i was going to post and ask the same question
if they do three might get it cheaper?

[matt_mr2t]

Mild steel is easier to weld with. What I'm getting at here guys is how much these exhausts cost.

Paying more money doesnt get you better quality!

[cantfindausername]

One mans bargain is another mans rip off.

Just becuase you can't justify spending that much money on what you class to be an inferior product, doens't mean that is the be all and end all. There is no wrong or right opinion when it comes to these things, its purely down to the individual and their opinion.

Personally, you could offer me 5 motoria or berk exhausts for my Dep 2 Pro, and I'd take them. But only to sell them and get a Dep 2 Pro back again. Any less than 5 though and I'd tell you where to stick the offer

[matt_mr2t]

Aside from looks, why do you rate it so highly if it's prone to going boobs up?

[cantfindausername]

My exhaust hasn't gone boobs up yet. It will eventually, there is no hiding that fact, but its all repairable.

For me, when I first saw a Dep2Pro on a car I knew I had to have one. And about 4 years later I was lucky enough to find one for sale.

No other exhaust on or off the market can touch it for presence. People have always tried to copy it, but no one has ever come close managing it.

And as Alex has said, the sound is just right. The Nur Spec is too loud for me, and the mongoose is too droning on long runs. Those are the only exhausts I've sampled that I know the name of, but I have heard others and I wasn't impressed.

You might disagree with me, but thats the beauty of difference.

[matt_mr2t]

It does look nice and I think I may have heard one.

My HKS was too quiet IMO. Until a hole the size of the sun apeared in it that is.

Any one ever driven their tubby with NO exhaust? Now thats a noise to savour lol.

[Spittinflames]

I've been saying for years the departure 2 is a big heavy, rusty rip off, very few listened. Suprised about the HKS I did think they were all stainless or is that the superdragger only?

Yep your right The Pheonix Power Dep 2 Pro is the best flowing exhaust available!!!! Not only is is stunning to look at, it has 3" increasing to 3.30" pipework!!! Being a twin exit system it outflows all single exit systems. The fitment is outstanding with no strain on any components and the entire exhaust is symetrical unlike the Motoria.

Metal is not invincible and it will perish over time!! If you take care of your exhaust then it will last the life of the car.

Notice how all of you guys complain about rusty exhausts or that you've just blown a hole in it........Yet your exhaust are all filthy and rusty anyway!!! If you don't clean/treat/polish your exhaust system ever, then no wonder it is falling apart!! If you see a little rust starting to appear on the pipework, get the exhaust off the car straight away!!......Sand/grind down the surface rust and coat the pipework to seal it.

I find it rediculous the way some of you take such beautiful care over your paintwork and interior, yet you let the exhaust get dirty, rusty, and manky, to then winge about it falling apart!!!

Don't be so lazy and take care of the exhaust as you would any other part of the car!

Just for the record i never wrote any of that...

[Bender Unit]

I've been saying for years the departure 2 is a big heavy, rusty rip off, very few listened.

I said exactly the same thing many years back. The Departure was rusty, heavy, restrictive and sounded crap. When it was ditched for a Nur Spec the difference was night and day and the car performed so much better it was unreal, it also sounded alot better and being stainless didnt rust or fall apart.

Dont know what the cache is with the departure, its probably JDM tyte syndrome or something.

[cantfindausername]

Its just difference of opinion. No point shooting one type of exhaust down over another as someone somewhere will like it and defend it, then its just gonna get catty, and people will start name calling, and saying my exhaust would have your exhaust in a fight and so on.

[matt_mr2t]

May I just point out that I never made any reference to performance levels of various exhausts.

All I pointed to was the lack of quality from the mild steel systems and the huge premium they charge for them.

There is definately a snobbery among some towards these expensive items suggesting that because they are expensive it makes them better than others. When truth be told, they're not.

Which exhausts are deemed to be light btw? The HKS I just threw away weighted a bloody ton and was only a single exit system.
I hear the Berk is pretty hefty as well.

Whats really driving me up the bloody wall is I cant order my new exhaust until Royal Mail get back to bloody work and deliver my new card

[Hellboy]

my HKS rotted at that hanger point aswell - must have been on the car a good 6 years before I got the car and lasted 3 years ok.

I then made my own from what was left...
http://www.youtube.com/user/murphy1138

[Spittinflames]

Which exhausts are deemed to be light btw? The HKS I just threw away weighted a bloody ton and was only a single exit system.
I hear the Berk is pretty hefty as well.

Buddy club is the lightest exhaust ive ever owned, compared to my Trust single exit, Blitz nurspec and motoria twin the buddy is a feather.

[matt_mr2t]

Is that because it has bu88er all in way of silencers you reckon?

[Harry]

Must say I loved my Apexi N1 so light-weight well thought out design with racing acoustic note making all other engine components sound great too!!!

Turbo spool up along with boost raised itself and was a real performance exhaust in all ways ,the GT unit if full stainless
Wonder if its a trade off if you go lighter weight does one lose life of the pipe itself?

Really feel the twin exit looks best for the balance of the rear end love my HKS Superdrager and feel the engineering is second to none the quality is just another level yes it is heavy lol so is the car itself!!! I just see it as additional rear strut/chassis bracing!!! The midrange torque improvement is most noticeable!!!

Must say if local fabricators could produce and or at a competitive price to the expensive designs I am pretty sure we would all be driving around with one.
Also if they tested the performance of them.So what is the final choice local or import? Besides Berk.Refurbish work on expensive Japanese exhausts sounds like a PLAN

[C50]

Hey Harry, your HKS Superdragger is almost identical to the Berk. Is it all stainless?



Prospeed wanted £700 to make up a s/s exhaust so is better to buy a Berk (£300 cheaper!)

[2Crooky]

The dep 2 is sooo favoured because of its looks but also the fitmnet is unbelievable!! The parts just gel together like no ther and it took Luke about 5 mins to mount it How can you say the departure 2 is restrictive lol???????

Out of the exhausts i have owned:

Apexi Super magaphone - stainless: sounded and looked crap!! Was rusty when i got it!
Apexi N1 - mild: superb in every way!! Sounds unbelievable and never rusted!
Blitz Nur Spec X2 - stainless: Great sound but the flexi sits sooo low to the ground that they often need replacing. B1tch to clean!!
Apexi GT - stainless: Can't see the point?? Couldn't tell the difference between this and the N1
5Zigen Border - mild: The most evil thing ever!! Loudest exhaust available!
Buddy Club - stainless: Piece of xxxx! Sounded stunning but had to have it rewelded twice and it looks horrible.
Phoenix Power Dep 2: Stunning looks and build quality, perfect exhaust note!
Longlife custom - stainless: Being 2.5" it was restricting performance but sounded great.

Its the same with body or engine mods!! Everyone has their own opinion and what one person says looks awesome, another will say its xxxx!!

All i would say is don't tar every mild steel exhaust with the same brush, If you look at all the other products Phoenix Power do, the quality is superb.

[2Crooky]

Hey Harry, your HKS Superdragger is almost identical to the Berk. Is it all stainless?

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Prospeed wanted £700 to make up a s/s exhaust so is better to buy a Berk (£300 cheaper!)

The rear section is stainless like the Dep 2 but the middle Y piece and flexi is MILD STEEL!! OH NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Notice nobody else has brought up this exhaust???!! This is made of the same materials as the dep 2 and the fitment/sound is fantastic.......But it costs even more!! Near £1000 new apparently So there you go people!! If you are going to slate mild steel exhausts for poor quality and over priced.......the dep 2 is not on its own!!