WARNING!...OS GIKEN CLUTCHES....WARNING!...SOS

[axisofunity]

I do find IMOC loves to have "WOW XXX is so great" threads leading to many repeat sales for that company, but the moment you mention something negative about someone or some company.... LOCK LOCK LOCK


Hmmmm am I being cynical if I mention affiliate cash flows?




yes of course I am.


But still, it's a messed up world where you can stay someone is great but not bad.

[anna]

I do find IMOC loves to have "WOW XXX is so great" threads leading to many repeat sales for that company, but the moment you mention something negative about someone or some company.... LOCK LOCK LOCK

Sorry axis, it may seem one sided.
The problem really stems from users who post stuff like this before it is resolved. It usually ends in tears/name calling or something like that, so that's why we sometimes lock threads like this, or ask that you do not name the other party.

After everything has been resolved (however that may be), and if someone else posts asking your opinion on a user/company, then you are welcome to have your say - as long as it is fact, and not defamatory.

IMOC has in the past been threatened with legal action for defamatory comments on the board - and we do have to be careful about these things...

[Harry]

Dam Harry,

Thats a shame, I hope you get a quick/good resolution to this situation.

I must confess that I do tend to trust IMOC members more than I would trust joe public or ebay people. If I was told an item was in a certain condition then thats how I would expect it to be (within reason) and if it came from an IMOC member I wouldn't have even thought of getting it checked I would just assume that its OK.

Regards
PaulM
92 G-Ltd.

hi paul
thank you for taking youre time to offer feedback bud its appreciated.
yes i agree with you when i purchase from imoc members i know
it will be good,the ones that do eventually get weeded out are few
and far between.

imo this is the best club ever and we all do look after each other.
also we are not very rich may be most of us any way and if we
can share our used products between us then we all benefit.

the management here and moderators alike do a sterling job for us all. =D>
thank you guys.

[LuizeGT]

its not hard to find who the clutch was bought from, i dont really see why this should have been posted.. other than a warning about buying used clutches.
i understand that harry is gutted and i feel for him, also hope that it gets sorted asap [-o<
but maybe the seller didnt know it was knackered? i dont know much about clutches but if id sold a clutch, not knowing it was poo and saw somthing like this about me, it would make me a little annoyed

[CosmosblueMR2]

well the seller to me might count his lucky stars that this unit was checked

he might have been sued like this if it had occured,well i would have got it
first then passed him down the line...


loss of turnover me x amount

Loss of turnover ? - Harry what are you going on about ?

[paul_h]

there does appear to be a few "dodgy" people on imoc these days, i have personally been ripped off twice by imoc members.

One of the threads was locked by mods as soon as i mentioned it, so the second time i didn't bother mentioning it. I think they should be allowed to run to conclusion so other people don't get ripped off.

I personally wont buy anything off anyone now unless i can pay cash on delivery or go pick it up.

beware out there


paul

[CosmosblueMR2]

but maybe the seller didnt know it was knackered? i dont know much about clutches but if id sold a clutch, not knowing it was poo and saw somthing like this about me, it would make me a little annoyed

100% agree ! =D>

well said =D>

not everyone is out to get you Harry

[axisofunity]

its not hard to find who the clutch was bought from, i dont really see why this should have been posted.. other than a warning about buying used clutches.
i understand that harry is gutted and i feel for him, also hope that it gets sorted asap [-o<
but maybe the seller didnt know it was knackered? i dont know much about clutches but if id sold a clutch, not knowing it was poo and saw somthing like this about me, it would make me a little annoyed

Anna;

I know what you mean.


Luize:

It's easy to see who sold it. What I do notice is that Harry bought it for X amount and then wanted to sell it later for X+100 amount or so and said it wasn't the same one originally.... Then later said it was.... Meh.

Perhaps just best to lock this and deal with it via PM then let us know the outcome

[The-Shield]

but maybe the seller didnt know it was knackered?

Just thought I might add my 2p here.

If someone cant tell if something is knackered, how can they tell you that it is in good condition?

If you see what I mean.

Loss of turnover ? - Harry what are you going on about ?

I think Harry was speaking hypothetically. Saying if he did have to goto court, there would also be some recompense for the time he would have to spend not trading/working while attending hearings etc.

I dont know either party or have any vested interest, but it seems Harry is taking a bit of a spanking for nothing really. I recently took a bit of a bashing on the OC for posting in the 'named and shamed' section.

[LuizeGT]

if somthing is taken off a car, his or mates or whatever, and didnt cause problems then he wont know.. i dont know.. maybe original seller bought it with intensions of fitting it to car but thanged plans.. and was sold it previously in good nick... who knows..

[Ed]

2. Do not use IMOC as a tool to sort grievances. You may post an experience to warn others, as long as there is no reference to the other party involved. If an 'experience' thread descends into name calling etc, it will be locked and possibly moved.
3. Buyers and sellers should always sort out grievances between themselves, privately.

Now you see those two statements just pi** me off and afirm my view that moderation on this site has become too ott in some aspects and weak minded or blasé in others. On MR2OC.com (US) site they have a feedback section specifically for this sought of thing. Issues are posted and the Moderators do there level best to help sought out the problem and to reach an amicable solution.

Now I agree that members should try and sought this sort of thing out using PM however when that fails they should be able post on the forum naming the member at fault. The moderators should be there to help resolve the problem not turn around and say that the thread will be locked if peoples names are involved.

One other thing the moderators try to do is stop all the other members jumping on the band wagon and keep the thread as much as possible on track and stop people not involved in the dispute from butting in.

It's about time we initiated a similar feedback system and that the moderators started helping the members resolve these sought of issues when the goods are bought or sold on this forum and stop issuing useless statements like those above.

Ed

[Bender Unit]

Well said Ed, seems pointless having a forum if people cant feed back without a lock down.

[Harry]

just to clarify a few issues...

this is purely a matter of principal and right is right,ok.
if it were for 100£ or 100 000£ my action will be the same,if you
dont stand up for yourself who will

i am passionate about imoc the people , mr2's and japan.

we trade here so i might buy mr2 goods from any where global,here
at imoc and re-sell them at a slight profit but consider that we take a risk.
we have costs...
excellent packaging to protect goods to arrive in perfect condition
excellent courier next other day sign for service
notification of trackers/postal reference
opportunity to own sourced japanese parts that cost a fortune new
but can be supplied to you at an affordable rate
paypal charges
cost of quality packaging
shipping
duties
plus more....+++

bottom line is i pride myself for service,respectability,and imoc enjoyment
as well.
i can tell you after the above mentioned cost/s believe me there usually
is no profit.
and if issues need to be raised we will.

right is right.
all opinions are welcome and appreciated
slag me off call me names thats fine...lol...just pay me.

well thats what harry is about like marmite love it hate it.
but i can say read all the feedback from people who have bought from
us and see happy people, can you say you have done any thing positive,
at all

i treat people with respect and follow through with the goods,yes i have had a couple of hicups and in retrospect might have handled those
better,i am learning all the time.

bottom line with this clutch is that it is advertised as spot on with quantified
measurments of internals giving a confident report that it is all good.

this clutch was not taken out of a car when it was running ok,it was bought
to fit but then the guy decided to sell it on,so how can a positive report be made up,made up being the operative word
when thor opened it for inspection it is so badly abused that the heat
has warped the internals and has been condemned to scrap and is
"irrepairable"
mm..slight description error...really.
just come off a going concern mr2..really.
a slight misunderstanding...really

[anna]

Ed, Benderunit,
We welcome feedback about companies, and I suppose individuals (although this should generally be on the thread about the item you bought).
Feedback about companies generally this comes in the form of a member posting 'has anyone used suchandsuch' threads. Replying to these sorts of threads is quite welcome, as long as you are reporting fact, and not speculation or rumour.

I reaffirm though, IMOC is not a tool to sort out grievances. If you are having trouble with a supplier, then posting - or threatening to post about the supplier in order to 'blackmail' for gratis work or somesuch is not appropriate, and not what the board is for. It is because of this we prefer issues to be 'resolved' (ie closed) before they are posted and slated - often it is a communication error, or the supplier may not have had the chance to get back etc etc....

The rules are here:
http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4380

IMOC is not a support forum for Affiliates: While it may be used for comparing, judging the content/ value of affiliate products and services, we do not allow IMOC to be used as the primary means for bad mouthing (or victimizing) or for negative discussion. All issues should be resolved in private with an Affiliate.

No Libellous posts: If you believe you have received a bad product or bad service, having initially raised the issue with the Company or individual concerned, ensure that only a fully factual account is posted to the forum.

If think the rules are not appropriate, or wrong, please feel free to start a new thread in the appropriate forum to discuss this.

[Harry]

aye peeps rules are rules lets respect them as they serve us all
fairly and fairness to all is the least we should expect.

at the end of the day we are all guests here by invite.

please do respect the law here.

[CosmosblueMR2]

just i can tell you after the above mentioned cost/s believe me there usually
is no profit.

Ah right so now you are Father Christmas - do me a favour

I reaffirm though, IMOC is not a tool to sort out grievances. If you are having trouble with a supplier, then posting - or threatening to post about the supplier in order to 'blackmail' for gratis work or somesuch is not appropriate, and not what the board is for.

aye peeps rules are rules lets respect them as they serve us all
fairly and fairness to all is the least we should expect.
at the end of the day we are all guests here by invite.
please do respect the law here.

So why did you post in the first place Harry ?... start asking others to respect the "law" when you yourself start.

Using IMOC to publically tell the seller your actions and therefor drag their name through the dirt before they have had time or a chance to explain / get back to you.
If you've given them time, if you have then gone down your chosen route of renumeration, come back and let people know your experiences - but to do it this way is wrong in my book - and then to see you type the above quoted makes me laugh and shake my head

Sorry Mods if I've overstepped the mark, or if this leads to a lockdown - but it's just hypocrisy - and i hate it.

[splashnatz]

my 2p ... as everyone else is having their say.

items bought privately off imoc CAN'T really be expected to be "guaranteed". Items bought off affiliates , i think the buyer has a right to expect it to be at least useable.

Harry's lost out. The member he bought off is probably as shocked as him. If the members an affiliate, then i would expect that person to have a good idea as to if the part is useable or not. Normal members i wouldn't expect to have so much knowledge. If the clutch had never been on the original sellers car, i would have thought he could feel confident, describing it as the same condition it was described in when sold to him. How else could he know ?

Can't have a go at Harry for buying things in a normal "For Sale", especially if he realises there may be a profit with that part. That's what he does, he's a trader, and as such makes profit as and where he can. Fair enough. In an earlier post, Harry said -
"we trade here so i might buy mr2 goods from any where global,here
at imoc and re-sell them at a slight profit but consider that we take a risk."

Think this is where the risk hasn't paid off this time maybe ?

If Harry hasn't already, i think he should get in touch with whoever sold him the clutch, and if the problem can be sorted out amicably. BUT - it doesn't help that when Harry tried to re-sell the clutch, he said it wasn't bought off IMOC but in Japan ... then retracted that statement and said it was the IMOC supplied one.

Harry - other thing i'd say - don't let THor just sling that clutch in the skips, it may be your only way of proving your case, so make sure they send it back to you.

Good luck with sorting something out, your customer is just lucky that your priciples are such that you allowed the clutch to be tested before fitting. TOP MARKS for that fella.

[Harry]

hi john

appreciate youre thoughts,feeling and feedback....

[Harry]

just i can tell you after the above mentioned cost/s believe me there usually
is no profit.

Ah right so now you are Father Christmas - do me a favour

I reaffirm though, IMOC is not a tool to sort out grievances. If you are having trouble with a supplier, then posting - or threatening to post about the supplier in order to 'blackmail' for gratis work or somesuch is not appropriate, and not what the board is for.

aye peeps rules are rules lets respect them as they serve us all
fairly and fairness to all is the least we should expect.
at the end of the day we are all guests here by invite.
please do respect the law here.

So why did you post in the first place Harry ?... start asking others to respect the "law" when you yourself start.

Using IMOC to publically tell the seller your actions and therefor drag their name through the dirt before they have had time or a chance to explain / get back to you.
If you've given them time, if you have then gone down your chosen route of renumeration, come back and let people know your experiences - but to do it this way is wrong in my book - and then to see you type the above quoted makes me laugh and shake my head

Sorry Mods if I've overstepped the mark, or if this leads to a lockdown - but it's just hypocrisy - and i hate it.

really
when i want youre opinion let me give it you
off my planet
big
"L"

[Harry]

my 2p ... as everyone else is having their say.

items bought privately off imoc CAN'T really be expected to be "guaranteed". Items bought off affiliates , i think the buyer has a right to expect it to be at least useable.

Harry's lost out. The member he bought off is probably as shocked as him. If the members an affiliate, then i would expect that person to have a good idea as to if the part is useable or not. Normal members i wouldn't expect to have so much knowledge. If the clutch had never been on the original sellers car, i would have thought he could feel confident, describing it as the same condition it was described in when sold to him. How else could he know ?

Can't have a go at Harry for buying things in a normal "For Sale", especially if he realises there may be a profit with that part. That's what he does, he's a trader, and as such makes profit as and where he can. Fair enough. In an earlier post, Harry said -
"we trade here so i might buy mr2 goods from any where global,here
at imoc and re-sell them at a slight profit but consider that we take a risk."

Think this is where the risk hasn't paid off this time maybe ?

If Harry hasn't already, i think he should get in touch with whoever sold him the clutch, and if the problem can be sorted out amicably. BUT - it doesn't help that when Harry tried to re-sell the clutch, he said it wasn't bought off IMOC but in Japan ... then retracted that statement and said it was the IMOC supplied one.

Harry - other thing i'd say - don't let THor just sling that clutch in the skips, it may be your only way of proving your case, so make sure they send it back to you.

Good luck with sorting something out, your customer is just lucky that your priciples are such that you allowed the clutch to be tested before fitting. TOP MARKS for that fella.

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