[Mk2] [Turbo] mk2 92 overheating

[HighwayStar]

That's a possibility if you want to get greasy but it's still a lot of money and hassle that shouldn't be the responsibility of the new owner IMO.
I don't understand the previous owners post though ... how does an oil change solve a leaky sump gasket? Why go back to chat to the garage again when they've already given their opinion? As for claims the car was A1 well, coincidence is an odd thing I guess but you've owned it yourself only a month, sold it by your own admission at a loss in this very short period and only then, but instantly, does it demonstrate expensive overheating problems....
It's all possible I suppose but it doesn't sound very probable.
As for making tea and biscuits I don't see that has anything whatsoever to do with the state of the car.
Bottom line is it was unfit for purpose....

[ashley]

Agreed, but it was a private sale which means sold as seen...it may well have been knowingly sold with issues, but it's up to the good conscience of the seller to make it good, so the best bet is to try to amicably come to an "agreement"

[Peter Gidden]

it just seems from his reply that a wall seems to be being built between us, which i really dont understand.

I do. You've most likely been stitched up unfortunately.

Although you'll never know for sure, i doubt very much the head gasket blew as you drove home.

Private sales are "buyer beware" and there are a lot of less than honest sellers out there. Previous owner had the car a month - alarm bells!

Sounds as the previous owner has washed his hands - i suggest you chalk it down to experience, take some pleasure from knowing you have a sound car, and get out and enjoy it.

[HighwayStar]

Speak with CAB to see exactly what rights you have. My understanding is that anything sold by anyone still has to be fit for purpose and as advertised.
How was it advertised and do you still have the advert?
If you get nowhere there and find you have no rights well.... as Peter says you should still have a decent car when you fix it, it's just become dearer is all. Finally at least you know where he lives in case you want to err, .... pursue him further for a contribution.

[Peter Gidden]

My understanding is that anything sold by anyone still has to be fit for purpose and as advertised.

Not true. Private buyer from private seller caveat emptor applies.

Under the principle of caveat emptor, the buyer can not recover damages from the seller for defects on the property that renders the property unfit for ordinary purposes. The only exception is if the seller actively conceals latent defects or otherwise makes material misrepresentations amounting to fraud.

Time better spent giving it another coat of polish.

[HighwayStar]

That's why I thought if there was an advert the wording might allow for some negotiating room.... If there were claims of reliability or health etc. within.
As you say though an awful lot of hassle to pursue and prove.

[Moo]

Seems pretty clear from these 3 posts what has happened. 110k rev2 engine, boost increases resulting in over boost and boost spike issues, fuel cut messed about with, gets thrashed about at 15psi for a few weeks then the HG lets go. Simples.

Second post says it all. Already getting fuel cut caused by over boost resulting from playing with the MBC, messes with FCD to mask the issue then was spinning the wheels on boost! How much boost was it running to do this?

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Strangely prophetic.

My rev2 was fitted with a MBC, Hks fcd, along with my already 3" dp & exhaust, @ 13 psi over standard the difference was very impressive, @15 psi its night and day, standard the Turbo Mr2 is very sedate, this breathes much needed urgency into them.

Naturally I feel as any car running higher boost, reliability is comprised..

Whether the previous owner sold the car knowing the HG had gone only he knows but it seems a bit strange that a newly acquired car he first said was going to be subject to lots of TLC is up for sale with a fresh oil change and the boost turned down literally weeks after messing with boost and fuel cut settings and experiencing issues directly related to said experimentations. Sorry, but sounds dodgy to me.

Sorry you bought a wrong un OP but as already said probably not much you can do other than chalk it down to experience.

[Zentral]

Speculate on my behalf all you like chaps,

I'm quite saddened that this speculating can go on without my envolvement in the thread,

The fact I was messing with the mbc was because iveas losing boost, caused by a split hose off of the actuator,

Someone asked why I changed the oil for a sump gasket???? Hello, who on earth puts the old oil back in??

This car was obviously running a head gasket issue that went un noticed, the car was sat bloody idling for half hour on deal day, NOTHING was overheating,

In all i sold the car to the description i wrote, arguably the manifold was leaking as was the dp, i further reduced the car for any niggles on the day,

Car drove 100% on test drive, as did it when i said farewell to it,

And that's what i intend to do to this barrage of accusations and assumptions,

[ashley]

This car was obviously running a head gasket issue that went un noticed

Cool- so you admit it was probably an issue when you sold it...how about refunding some of the cash you got from the sale to help the guy get it fixed?

[Moo]

There's no way that car had a HG issue during your ownership that went unnoticed. It overheated on the guy who bought it off you on the way home yet you had it for a month and were razzing around at 15psi with no issues? Very doubtful indeed.

I haven't actually accused you of knowingly selling the car with a blown HG but looking at your posts, it's hard to believe it wasn't you that caused the HG to fail or at least bring it to the point where one more boosted run killed it for good.

Having said all that, even if you are absolutely blameless and genuinely sold the car with no knowledge of the HG issue, don't you feel morally bound to at least offer some help with the repair cost, even it's it just a small contribution? If I'd just unknowingly peddled a lemon onto somebody else I'd feel obliged to try and help out, even if it was just a token gesture. Yet you're not interested in helping the guy out. Why not?

[ashley]

[Grazzy]

Well just had a call from the garage, Its something a little like this:-

Hi its Dave. We have just had your head returned & they cant level it out without taking to much off it. due to this been warped. He has advised me to get hold of a new head.

Does anyone have a head they can sell me that's not in mess or damaged? If so ill buy it today.

[HighwayStar]

Warped! But I thought it only overheated the first time when you tried to drive it home from the buy? How did it get that hot it warped the head?
You could try contacting members in the breaking cars section or give people like TCB or Rogue a call and see if they can help with bits.

[Grazzy]

So spent a couple of hours this afternoon looking for a new head ringing around known breakers. Anyway got a banging price offered on a complete head & would be a direct swap over with some new belts.

The same breaker said that he had a complete engine in good nick with no issues. said that i could have that for a few hundred more.

So i when back to my garage and asked them whats going to be solution. I was quite surprised by there response.

They can swap the head block, but for how much of a lemon its been so far chances are the rest of the engines nailed also may be other bodge it method used to cover up other issues to sell the car. Said it would be a lot cheaper labor wise to swap the engine. but that parts obvs going to cost more.

Does it about £1100 with engine & labour for engine swap (hoping for happy days with this)

OR

£800 for head replacement and rebuilt etc (chances are other bits are likely to go since lies were told.)


Myself i'm leaning towards the Engine swap. But the question is whats best? take the risk and do the head swap or get the new engine and hope that gets rid of the nightmare?

Engine seller is stating this:-

No smoke, no nasty noises.

Engine has been fully tested.

Compression test; 184psi 182psi 180psi 185psi

Oil pressure test,35PSI @ idle 60PSI @ 3500rpm

Leak down tested, all cylinders good.

[ashley]

Give Peter a call mate- talk it through with him

[Harold]

What's the garage doing the work? Do you trust them with an engine swap?

[Grazzy]

I do trust the garage doing to work. Ive had them do quite a bit for me over the years on quite a few of my cars. They have also had there hands in an around my engine bay and all other parts of my N/A MR2. Ive never had any disappointments with there work.

The donor engine is coming from GTS Chris, Ive spoken with him on advice on other MR2 faults and he been spot on every time. Service from him has always been great, shipping was quick & condition of the items has been very good.

I just really concerned if i swap the head with a complete one and the gasket and other bits to go with. Then something else fails, getting the money together for this level of repair again would break my heart & my bank.

When i was looking for the replacement head, each trader and breaker I spoke with asked why i wanted the head. They all said that they would be able to provide me with one. They all said if the head is that bad, there probably going to be other areas of the engine that maybe damaged. which has a chance of been where I am now but been all this money down & still needing a different engine.

I did manage to get pictures of the engine mounted in the chassis and this looked pretty standard, OEM BOV. didn't see a manual boost controller etc. The main reason why im leaning towards the engine swap is a plan to keep the car for a long time after this repair. I just looking for the best solution that's going to get me the most joy in the long run.

[ashley]

If you do get a whole engine I would highly recommend you at least do the main and big end bearings, inspect the bores, inspect the oil pump, and change the timing belt, pulleys and water pump.

Would be a good opportunity to stick a metal head gasket in as well.

That way you'll spot any potential issues before install, and have an engine that's set to run for a good long time

[HighwayStar]

Got nothing else to say fella except I feel really really sorry for you.
I know what I'd do but can't recommend or even suggest it on a public forum. It's a farcical situation when someone can sell something as working and when it's discovered on the same day it actually doesn't work just say well it was alright just before you bought it, bad luck, and walk away. Like a game of pass the shitty parcel.
Did the advert for the car describe it as working/good condition?.... Just trying to think of any grounds you might still have to get your money back...

[madbasshunter]

Did the advert for the car describe it as working/good condition?.... Just trying to think of any grounds you might still have to get your money back...

"This is a 21 year old car in great nick, but not new
Currently 14psi for reliability and haste, this GT-S is an animal and will out perform a Revo'd TSI Audi S3 @ 330bhp"

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