Arent turbos sluggish when trying to drive off boost??

[Bender Unit]

If there is such a thing as turbo lag then there is also NA lag. Lets face it NA’s need to get past x RPM’s before they start making power, so what’s the difference?

If you are stupid enough to pull from 30mph in 5th in any car regardless of aspiration then you shouldn’t be allowed to drive.

It also makes me laugh that all the NA owners seem to think the turbo is such a lame duck on the bends. It’s the same chassis and the turbo isn’t a difficult car to drive IMHO. I suppose you have to keep telling yourself that to make yourself feel better about having a slower car.

[Dale_V]

It also makes me laugh that all the NA owners seem to think the turbo is such a lame duck on the bends. It’s the same chassis and the turbo isn’t a difficult car to drive IMHO. I suppose you have to keep telling yourself that to make yourself feel better about having a slower car.

not really, ive proved it so when I can go on the outside of a turbo 20-30mph faster around a left hand bend, im telling myself this? or when im having to brake because im running into the back of another tubby and I just want to keep the power down, im telling myself this?

[ENSMR2]

It also makes me laugh that all the NA owners seem to think the turbo is such a lame duck on the bends. It’s the same chassis and the turbo isn’t a difficult car to drive IMHO. I suppose you have to keep telling yourself that to make yourself feel better about having a slower car.

not really, ive proved it so when I can go on the outside of a turbo 20-30mph faster around a left hand bend, im telling myself this? or when im having to brake because im running into the back of another tubby and I just want to keep the power down, im telling myself this?

When was this?? On a track? Not aloud to race then are you.

Maybe the guy wasn't giving it as much as you. You can never tell. You can't compare these two cars unless they have the same suspension stuff on them. I seriously doubt you'd keep up with a tubby with the same mods as yourself.

Stock for stock the tubby would be quicker.

[Essex MR2]

Stock for stock the tubby would be quicker.

That's my point exactly. They're the same car with the same chassis!
Given the same mods (or both standard) AND the same driver the only difference would be in power. Any lag between the gears or in initial response would be minimal in comparisson with the power difference.

Dale_V Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:41 am Post subject:

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Bender Unit wrote:

It also makes me laugh that all the NA owners seem to think the turbo is such a lame duck on the bends. It’s the same chassis and the turbo isn’t a difficult car to drive IMHO. I suppose you have to keep telling yourself that to make yourself feel better about having a slower car.


not really, ive proved it so when I can go on the outside of a turbo 20-30mph faster around a left hand bend, im telling myself this? or when im having to brake because im running into the back of another tubby and I just want to keep the power down, im telling myself this?

i don't doubt it for a second mate. But that can ONLY be down to your driving being better than the other guy, or chassis mods.
You can get the power down with a tubby coming out of bends just as well as an NA because they're so smooth. My old Cossie was a different beast you had to nail it in the middle of the bend for it to come on boost by the time you were straight!! MR2s aren't like that at all. [/list]

[Bender Unit]

not really, ive proved it so when I can go on the outside of a turbo 20-30mph faster around a left hand bend, im telling myself this? or when im having to brake because im running into the back of another tubby and I just want to keep the power down, im telling myself this?

So lets ignore differing standards of driving then ??!?!. So you over take a pensioner in a Mr2 turbo doing 30mph - wow that’s a scalp to be proud off! Face it you cant argue with the fact that more power means a faster car. Regardles of what you say the turbo will corner just as hard and just as fast as the NA.

If we ever meet on track I will prove this to you with my big laggy turbo!

The truth of the matter is you have never manged to over take the well driven fast turbo's as they are mile in front so you have to pick on the slow stragglers at the back of the pack!

[jonno]

Wheel out the mighty N/A's at the IMOC trackday and I will see if I can keep up. The deal is that if I manage to keep up with them, can we stop this stupid argument once and for all please? I would also offer the same deal for the MkI's - lets face it, MkI's and N/A's just arnt as fast on circuit as a Turbo, why do we waste so much time arguing about it?

Pointless.

[Chris \'aka rustboy\' Amm]

Straight line junkies? Thoughts so.....

Trouble-overtaking-a-Vauxhall-Zafira junky? Thought so...

not really I will have you on any set of twistys, guaranteed and thats what makes it fun =D>

na you wouldn't mate! i was going into bends faster on the kent coast run than the NA's were in front of me and was on boost out of every corner! had to break to stop hitting the back of Ant's car!

if you want an NA get a proper one if you ask me, MK1 is the best NA MR2!

[RichardPON]

It also makes me laugh that all the NA owners seem to think the turbo is such a lame duck on the bends. It’s the same chassis and the turbo isn’t a difficult car to drive IMHO. I suppose you have to keep telling yourself that to make yourself feel better about having a slower car.

not really, ive proved it so when I can go on the outside of a turbo 20-30mph faster around a left hand bend, im telling myself this? or when im having to brake because im running into the back of another tubby and I just want to keep the power down, im telling myself this?

Oh dear lord

You have the same chassis, with 4 tyres making the points of contact with the road.

If you make the test sceintific, and give both cars the same suspension, tryes, wheel size etc, then what on earth makes you think that having a lack of turbo endows you with more lateral grip?

Simple fact is, my tubby probably makes 50% more torque than the NA at 4000rpm. If you're driving hard, like on a trackday for example, turbo lag really wont be an issue as you're changing gears at the correct point to make best use of the torque curve.

You can't make the comparison with "your mates car" who you passed round a bend! For all we know, your mate couldn't drive a slippery stick up a dog's ar$e!

I disagree with the comment about cossies being laggy. Mine is not laggy at all - it all depends on how they're mapped. My boost gauge goes round like the rev counter, and build boost from 3000rpm very rapidly but progressively.

[Chris \'aka rustboy\' Amm]

i think it's just the NA's being a tad jealous they couldn't afford the proper MK2. i'm not rising to debate any more on the matter. i HAVE the better out of the NA and Turbo MK2's so the NA's can whine and think they have the better car when there's is all show with no go

[Dale_V]

It also makes me laugh that all the NA owners seem to think the turbo is such a lame duck on the bends. It’s the same chassis and the turbo isn’t a difficult car to drive IMHO. I suppose you have to keep telling yourself that to make yourself feel better about having a slower car.

not really, ive proved it so when I can go on the outside of a turbo 20-30mph faster around a left hand bend, im telling myself this? or when im having to brake because im running into the back of another tubby and I just want to keep the power down, im telling myself this?

Oh dear lord

You have the same chassis, with 4 tyres making the points of contact with the road.

If you make the test sceintific, and give both cars the same suspension, tryes, wheel size etc, then what on earth makes you think that having a lack of turbo endows you with more lateral grip?

Simple fact is, my tubby probably makes 50% more torque than the NA at 4000rpm. If you're driving hard, like on a trackday for example, turbo lag really wont be an issue as you're changing gears at the correct point to make best use of the torque curve.

You can't make the comparison with "your mates car" who you passed round a bend! For all we know, your mate couldn't drive a slippery stick up a dog's ar$e!

I disagree with the comment about cossies being laggy. Mine is not laggy at all - it all depends on how they're mapped. My boost gauge goes round like the rev counter, and build boost from 3000rpm very rapidly but progressively.

erm, re read my first post! Its talking about my car (as it is) against the blokes i quoted (as I see it in his pic!) I suppose the wide track of my car counts for nothing? The wheels touch the arch FFS, they go no wider! Where as his are burried in the arch both front and rear and 17"

and his pic seems to have vanished

[Gazboy]

It also makes me laugh that all the NA owners seem to think the turbo is such a lame duck on the bends. It’s the same chassis and the turbo isn’t a difficult car to drive IMHO. I suppose you have to keep telling yourself that to make yourself feel better about having a slower car.

not really, ive proved it so when I can go on the outside of a turbo 20-30mph faster around a left hand bend, im telling myself this? or when im having to brake because im running into the back of another tubby and I just want to keep the power down, im telling myself this?

What a load of ego inflating nonesense! This is the sort of crap a 17y.o newbie would post after passing their test 2nd time around, not something a moderator of the site would post. The only thing that went around any given bend on track 20-30mph quicker than me was a Noble GT03R, and if you think you could take on of them on, on track, then you are not the full ticket.

[Dale_V]

It also makes me laugh that all the NA owners seem to think the turbo is such a lame duck on the bends. It’s the same chassis and the turbo isn’t a difficult car to drive IMHO. I suppose you have to keep telling yourself that to make yourself feel better about having a slower car.

not really, ive proved it so when I can go on the outside of a turbo 20-30mph faster around a left hand bend, im telling myself this? or when im having to brake because im running into the back of another tubby and I just want to keep the power down, im telling myself this?

What a load of ego inflating nonesense! This is the sort of crap a 17y.o newbie would post after passing their test 2nd time around, not something a moderator of the site would post. The only thing that went around any given bend on track 20-30mph quicker than me was a Noble GT03R, and if you think you could take on of them on, on track, then you are not the full ticket.

lol, we will see he was running 18's btw I dont make stuff up, and my ego doesnt need inflating.

once again, no ones read my posts properly I didnt say, I would have any tubby! go back to the start and read it again!

[Bender Unit]

once again, no ones read my posts properly I didnt say, I would have any tubby! go back to the start and read it again!

Dale to be fair what you have stated is bobbins. So what you over took a turbo in your NA? AND?

There are so many factors you are over looking, was the driver going for it, driver skill, tire grip - not all tires are equal the list goes on. Sounds like you did this test on public roads? Maybe the other driver was more concerned about his licence?

It very easy to claim you killed somone in the bends with the superior NA but if the other car wasn’t racing then its hardly a great comparison is it?

It’s a silly statement it make and you will get people irritated as its nonsense. Unless it on track and both drivers are of similar talent and both going for it then you cant make a comparison.
Truth is even a stock Turbo on stock wheels and stock suspension with stock power in the hands of a driver that can actually drive will leave you behind. End of.

Cheers

James

[jimGTS]

not really, ive proved it so when I can go on the outside of a turbo 20-30mph faster around a left hand bend, im telling myself this? or when im having to brake because im running into the back of another tubby and I just want to keep the power down, im telling myself this?

What a load of ego inflating nonesense! This is the sort of crap a 17y.o newbie would post after passing their test 2nd time around, not something a moderator of the site would post. The only thing that went around any given bend on track 20-30mph quicker than me was a Noble GT03R, and if you think you could take on of them on, on track, then you are not the full ticket.

lol, we will see he was running 18's btw I dont make stuff up, and my ego doesnt need inflating.

once again, no ones read my posts properly I didnt say, I would have any tubby! go back to the start and read it again!

not quite sure why everyones jumped on your mate.
how it read to me was that you had a better suspension setup and better performance tyres/wheels to handle the corners better than that particular mr2 turbo.
i didnt read anywhere where you said you could have any tubby.

[Gazboy]

Can I have what ever you've been sniffing/smoking/injecting/takeing please? Sounds like fun stuff...

[Dale_V]

What a load of ego inflating nonesense! This is the sort of crap a 17y.o newbie would post after passing their test 2nd time around, not something a moderator of the site would post. The only thing that went around any given bend on track 20-30mph quicker than me was a Noble GT03R, and if you think you could take on of them on, on track, then you are not the full ticket.

lol, we will see he was running 18's btw I dont make stuff up, and my ego doesnt need inflating.

once again, no ones read my posts properly I didnt say, I would have any tubby! go back to the start and read it again!

not quite sure why everyones jumped on your mate.
how it read to me was that you had a better suspension setup and better performance tyres/wheels to handle the corners better than that particular mr2 turbo.
i didnt read anywhere where you said you could have any tubby.

Thankyou jim. someone at last grasps what ive said!

FFS, this happens on every forum, bandwagon jumpers not reading what people have to say fully.

[Gazboy]

Was it an encrypted post? I've read all your posts on this thread 4 times now...

[Dale_V]

Was it an encrypted post? I've read all your posts on this thread 4 times now...

well how about you go back to school , and get taught the alphabet again, then you can put a few letters together, make some words and understand from that what ive wrote

some people!

[BLOODUK]

well how about you go back to school , and get taught the alphabet again, then you can put a few letters together, make some words and understand from that what ive wrote

some people!

Poor Dale , do as i do, walk all over em

[Dale_V]

well how about you go back to school , and get taught the alphabet again, then you can put a few letters together, make some words and understand from that what ive wrote

some people!

Poor Dale , do as i do, walk all over em

This topics going no where tbh, especially when people dont or just dont want to listen! we are just going around in circles and tbh its not even that difficult to understand...