[Mk2] [Turbo] 500HP COOLANT TEMP PROBLEM

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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] 500HP COOLANT TEMP PROBLEM

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bobhatton wrote:What fuel are you using?
What is the measured compression ratio?
What boost are you running?
What is you timing advance at max boost?

My feeling is the C/R will be too high for the boost and fuel you are using so the timing is being retarded and that will over heat the block boiling the water.

Bob


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1.5bar max (engine is built for 2.3+bar on the GT35)
Timing is all relative my friend, and isn't relavant particularly, but at 1.5 bar it's around 12 deg at peak torque, climbing to about 16 deg at 7500rpm. The engine comfortably took more timing as well.
Theres no det and EGT's were fine, so we know fuelling and ignition are fine.
I've got another engine running 2.5 bar on an AMS850R (PT6262) with 9.5:1 compression on Pump fuel.
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] 500HP COOLANT TEMP PROBLEM

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It you are able to do it I would try some turbo race fuel of around 114 to 116 octane and take the timing up to 25 to 30 deg and see if the engine still overheats.


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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] 500HP COOLANT TEMP PROBLEM

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I'm sure that would help if problem was on boost... But it isn't.
It runs absolutely fine on boost, then randomly, sometimes, shoots up while cruising AFTER you have seen some boost.
Sometimes it can be 5-10 minutes AFTER boosting.
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] 500HP COOLANT TEMP PROBLEM

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It's not something so silly as a duff temperature sensor is it? Or air bubbles in the coolant leading to the sensor reading "dry" ?

I just can't see that the temperatures would suddenly jump from 85C to 130C in the matter of a second or two, and more importantly, drop back down again within 5 seconds. There's no way the cooling system could shed that amount of heat in that amount of time :-s
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] 500HP COOLANT TEMP PROBLEM

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Sometimes it will stay at 130 deg for a few minutes, sometimes it will drop in a few seconds.
When it does drop, it does so quickly.
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] 500HP COOLANT TEMP PROBLEM

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Gizzmo wrote:Sometimes it will stay at 130 deg for a few minutes, sometimes it will drop in a few seconds.
When it does drop, it does so quickly.


Easy check....

Sort the cooling system levels out again... expansion tank at the correct levels....

Stick a coke bottle at the expansion tank overflow... and then take it for a hard boost session....

If you're running 1.5+ bar.. you're going to exceed the coolant pressure threshold and thus.. the expansion tank will get excess gas / fluid through it which will spill out...

In reality, no coolant should come out of the overflow of the expansion tank ( unless over filled )

Like others have mentioned, the cavitation is caused by combustion gas...not pump impellar issues ( they're metal ) or flow rates etc... this will either be through the head gasket or through a cracked block....

Temps will rise suddenly as you're displacing the coolant with gas around the block... you'll feel the heater go cold before itshoots up ( early warning ! ).. The temp probe is a little slow to react in reality...

Could of things in the build.... History of the block... ??! Did it overheat before the rebuild ??!

Where I'm coming from, you may have skimmed the head, new head gasket, but did you have the block decked... it might answer some of the gas passing issues..

Either way... moneys on combustion gas displacement, where its coming from can be only from two areas.

Dont forget to check the simple things.. loss of coolant... The rad bleed nipple is prone to leaking.. mine leaked without realising it... the coolant shortage at the front will cause considerable air locks within the system too....

So recap :

-Check for leaks at the front
-Carry out said coke bottle approach
-Run the engine with the filler cap off, check for the rising bubbles ( when hot ) and stick a gas analyser over it to see if its carbon monoxide

Other things that will throw you....

You may start to see the water pump start to leak under pressure ... Once the coolant system builds pressure, you may see a stream of coolant come from the water pump.. this will not be the reason but the resultant problem from the overheating.

When the block overheats, there is normally a lack of coolant around the block / pump. This "dry" running will score the carbon bearings in the pump which will then allow it to pass coolant under pressure ! So before you react to the leak... dont go through all the trouble in changing it out when its a downstream issue which has been caused by the overheating.

On that note too... I advised strongly to anyone thats had overheating problems where you've boiled it over considerably to change the water pump too after rectification.

Block sleeving... I've done it !! These engines wont get the better of me...!! I've split 2 blocks soo far... One ran at a mere 1.3 bar.. the other 1.6 bar daily.. with a burst to 2 bar.... !! Luck of the draw for block integrity !
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