[Mk2] [Turbo] !!! REV2 Turbo Mappable ECU !!!

[PW@Woodsport]

NO! you hang on a minute jeremy....

I sent you an ECU datalogger cable back in March to test out for me.

I sent it to you as a beta tester cable and you still have it.

You didn't ever test it for me and I 'gave up' asking you when you were ever going to plug it into an MR2 and tell me how it worked.

which promptly broke the first time i tried to insert it into the diagnostic port,two pins came off....in your own words "be careful of this prototype its a bit weak" so please tell me how im supposed to do YOUR testing with a cable that didnt last two minutes?

Maybe you could post it back to me as you don't have a use for it.

I have no problem sending you the broken cable back,its no use to me at all....lets not forget i was trying to help YOU!

Also, you were going to send me ECU loom plugs for the MR2/V6 ECU project but that never happened.

I sent you one set of ecu plugs free of charge,if they never arrived thats royal mails fault,not mine.... again i did this for free to help YOU!

You were also going to send me money to cover my costs for making an adaptor for the V6 ECU so I could test my board in the V6 ECU. I made the adaptor and someone tested the ECU...

Now this i have a BIG issue with.... why the hell should i fund YOUR project? i said id help out with your initial costs by asking 20 or so other TB members to throw £10-£20 each into the pot to get you started up,this isnt a bloody small business start up scheme jeremy,you were the only one that was set to financially gain,not me or anyone else.... i did you a HUGE favour by pulling in 25 TB members all willing to donate money to YOUR business venture,some of which didnt even have V6's!! All of whom waited months for you to give the go ahead,that never came.You disappeared off the thread without a word to anyone!

Im quite offended that my efforts to help you with funding have been thrown back in my face to be honest.... its up to YOU to fund your own project or business not me as you were the only one that stood to gain... we arent partners,nor am i a shareholder in your project,so why the hell should i fund your business??? i think i did more than my fair share by getting interested parties to offer contributions.

So you could have phoned/emailed or even sent me a letter asking where I was.

Why would i bother doing that??? its not my business venture,its YOURS! its up to you to take things to the next level,why should i do everything for you? you disappeared off TB without a word leaving loads of people wondering,are you telling me you never got the thread notifications and forum replies? bull$h1t.

I'd like to make it clear that no one ever sent me any money (in case any readers think I did a runner with the dosh from 25 people)

BUT! you would have gladly taken MY money without return! id also like to make it clear you lead people up the garden path making them think you were going to offer a v6 ecu,and then just abandoned the project without a word leaving those 25 people clueless as to whats gone on.

Im sorry you feel this way jeremy but i couldnt do testing for you with a broken cable,but this is YOUR business venture,its YOUR responsibility to test everything yourself and fund everthing yourself....we were only trying to help you out.

You let a lot of people down,thats all i can say about that...i sleep easy knowing i did everything i could to help you.

[luthor1]

Oh here we go...

Please take this to another thread, or better still PM's or e-mail. This project is on, and some of us are successful testers and some of us can make the Royal Mail work, and some of us want this project to work.

For those who dont DONT press the "post reply" button.

[PW@Woodsport]

some of us are successful testers and some of us can make the Royal Mail work

wtf is that supposed to mean? i did everything i could to help jeremy,i went above and beyond the call of duty to help with something that was not my business venture.... posting crap like that is only going to start an argument *mate*

jeremy best of luck with your project,i mean that sincerely,but unfortunately due to your vanishing act on TB you have lost the support of TB members due to a lack of confidence you will deliver a v6 ecu package.

[2Crooky]

I have to agree with Paul!

WTF why should a third party fund someone elses "so called" project!!! If Paul isn't making money from the final product then why should he input funds.

Luthor, who cares if you want this project to work! If it means the main man behind the project has to ask people for money, or go missing for a few months to "play games" as he quotes!!!!

How comfortable are you that this is just a part time hobby or idea that he works at maybe once or twice a week???!?! Doesn't make it sound like he is putting in the effort required to want to make this a success.

And please tell us how to make Royal Mail work as you vlearly think some people cannot fathom the difficulty that is sending goods.

[luthor1]

I have to agree with Paul!

WTF why should a third party fund someone elses "so called" project!!! If Paul isn't making money from the final product then why should he input funds.

Luthor, who cares if you want this project to work! If it means the main man behind the project has to ask people for money, or go missing for a few months to "play games" as he quotes!!!!

How comfortable are you that this is just a part time hobby or idea that he works at maybe once or twice a week???!?! Doesn't make it sound like he is putting in the effort required to want to make this a success.

And please tell us how to make Royal Mail work as you vlearly think some people cannot fathom the difficulty that is sending goods.

Paul said there was some funding available, then didn't cough it up? What's your problem? Fund it/don't fund it. That's a PERSONAL decision.

"why should a 3rd party fund it" - they shouldn't if they don't want to? But don't say you will and then moan and whine and change your mind without saying anything!

"Who cares if I want this project to work" - well clearly that's just a silly question. No-one will care whether "I" want it to work, that's retarded. People may or may not care whether "the project" works.

Goodness!

Fund it, don't fund it. Just stop moaning in this thread. If you knew why he wasn't around as in the real reason you'd all pipe down. So just take a seat soldier, it's all going to be fine.

[Johnny G]

I have to agree with Paul!

WTF why should a third party fund someone elses "so called" project!!! If Paul isn't making money from the final product then why should he input funds.

Luthor, who cares if you want this project to work! If it means the main man behind the project has to ask people for money, or go missing for a few months to "play games" as he quotes!!!!

How comfortable are you that this is just a part time hobby or idea that he works at maybe once or twice a week???!?! Doesn't make it sound like he is putting in the effort required to want to make this a success.

And please tell us how to make Royal Mail work as you vlearly think some people cannot fathom the difficulty that is sending goods.

Paul said there was some funding available, then didn't cough it up? What's your problem? Fund it/don't fund it. That's a PERSONAL decision.

"why should a 3rd party fund it" - they shouldn't if they don't want to? But don't say you will and then moan and whine and change your mind without saying anything!

"Who cares if I want this project to work" - well clearly that's just a silly question. No-one will care whether "I" want it to work, that's retarded. People may or may not care whether "the project" works.

Goodness!

Fund it, don't fund it. Just stop moaning in this thread. If you knew why he wasn't around as in the real reason you'd all pipe down. So just take a seat soldier, it's all going to be fine.

Yes a personal decision - and also a gesture, in the nature of how things are done on TB. We had people offering to drive over to him, pay for things to be done to speed the process up. 25+ people offering £10/£20 means that Jeremy had the support and the £400-£500 he was anticipating the development to cost.

The funds were in place, but nowhere to send - no request for funds, no updates. He got it working then went "away" for a while. We have no problem around him leaving - it's the attitude upon the return I think you'll find.

Over and out.

[luthor1]

I think you may find his "attitude" is related to the "attitude" he has received.

Otherwise, why is it I get a perfectly reasonable explaination which frankly is perfectly understandable whilst others are getting "attitude"?

I think you're all mistaking an inventor for a business man. Jeremy is an exceptionally talented electronics engineer, a "tecky". He is not a shrewd business man out to make loads-a-money.

If you think he is, you are very much mistaken.

[2Crooky]

(I also bought a new gaming PC a month or so ago with a huge monitor so I've wasted a bit of time playing games... )

From the man himself......

Yeah luthor, great excuse for disappearing and not telling anyone. Why are you defending him sooo badly.

I partially blame you for this thread getting out of hand. There was no real direct contact with this guy from the start of the thread. You started this thread and gathered the interest of many people. You are the one that got people excited to see the results of this project and you are the one that was encouraging a lot of us to get on board.........

Then he disappears and even you start questioning him!! Don't try and defend his lack of presence when you yourself said in one of the earlier pages that you were geting worried about this!!!!!!

[luthor1]

I was worried because he was absent.

He explained to me in PM what happened, so if he has not done the same for you or others, then you are going to continue to be in the dark, which is none of my business, but when you start moaning and whining like children I am going to defend him, because as I said he's not trying to rip anyone off or do anything on that level.

As for blaming me? I got interest in this project, and if it didn't come to fruition for whatever reason, I (as said in previous pages) was going to try to arange a large-scale group buy of another excellent ECU solution, infact I've PM'd people and had replies regarding this, so YET AGAIN you are spouting without all the facts.

Next time you think someone is doing something you don't like or approve of, just repeat to yourself "...maybe I don't know the whole story..."

[2Crooky]

If "I" oe "we are in the dark then shed some fookin light on the situation. Oh wow, a few PM's have changed hands so that makes it all better.

You and Matey with the project have advertised a great product and created a big fan base for something that could be very successful, but then you lost the enthusiasm of the project yourself after getting people on board!!

Who cares if i don't know all the facts!! THATS THE MAIN PROBLEM!!!!!!!! Barely any of the parties interested in this know any of the facts as to why he disappeared and then just casually asked not to be bothered whilst he finishes the ECU. If this many people don't know whats going on then they are hardly going to back the project if it ever goes furthur

It has already been stated that 25 people have lost faith in the idea on TB, how long before everyone on here or any other forum follows suit.

[JMR_AW11]

some of us are successful testers and some of us can make the Royal Mail work

wtf is that supposed to mean? i did everything i could to help jeremy,i went above and beyond the call of duty to help with something that was not my business venture.... posting crap like that is only going to start an argument *mate*

jeremy best of luck with your project,i mean that sincerely,but unfortunately due to your vanishing act on TB you have lost the support of TB members due to a lack of confidence you will deliver a v6 ecu package.

i did everything i could to help jeremy

Why has it taken you 9 months to finally tell me you had broken my datalogger cable?

I kept asking you to try the cable and you were always too busy or you didn't have the right laptop.

I gave up asking you after several months of excuses. I don't see how you can even remotely claim you were 'helping me' by taking the cable and then not even giving any feedback for 9 months.

By the way you are the only person who managed to physically break that prototype datalogger cable.

It's the very same one I sent out in Autumn 2006 to other people/garages to try. You weren't the first to use it.

Now this i have a BIG issue with.... why the hell should i fund YOUR project?

I told you that I wouldn't even look at the V6 ECU unless someone paid me for the cost of the one off adaptor to allow my board to fit into the ECU and you said you would pay for it. The V6 ECU wasn't on my roadmap of ECUs to hack so if you recall, this was a sweetener to help me investigate that ECU for little cost (but I really spent ages on the V6ECU and posted up lots of useful data on your forum)

I made the adaptor and tested my board in the ECU but you must have forgotten your promise.

You also said you would look at ways of providing a mould for the datalogger cable housing. You said you had a mate who could help.

Again, nothing happened.

Even after you said the first set of ECU plugs got lost in the mail you promised you would send another set asap. I need the plugs so I can easily swap out ECUs onto the simulator jig.

Nothing happened.

What was I supposed to think? I spent a long time working on the V6 ECU and I finally got the impression you were too busy to be interested in datalogging or ECU projects.

If you had been more straight at the outset and just said:

"why the hell should i fund YOUR project?"

then I might have been a bit wiser when making my decision to look at the V6 ECU.

I appreciate how busy you are at your place of work, but you have to understand I have a dayjob too. The last few months have been hectic. I only get to do the ECU stuff in my spare time and most evenings I don't get home from work until 6:45pm. So I have very little free time at the moment and I can't afford to waste it.

I have no problem sending you the broken cable back,its no use to me at all....lets not forget i was trying to help YOU!

To be fair I was offering to help you as well as you wanted a cable to use as part of your business.

I still don't see how you could have actually broken two of the pins by plugging it into the data port.

The pins are taken from a 0.1" pitch header strip and you can put these pins in a vice and they would withstand a few rough twists with pliers before fracturing. They are made of a material that can withstand a few knocks and still get bent straight again. They are soldered into a 1.6mm thick PCB.

Did the PCB break or did the pins actually fracture?


You gladly took MY datalogger cable without return for 9 months (It didn't cost you anything)

And you tortured it

[Johnny G]

Planning to get them done, decent map and then out the door for £400 notes.

Seems shrewd to me!

[JMR_AW11]

If "I" oe "we are in the dark then shed some fookin light on the situation. Oh wow, a few PM's have changed hands so that makes it all better.

You and Matey with the project have advertised a great product and created a big fan base for something that could be very successful, but then you lost the enthusiasm of the project yourself after getting people on board!!

Who cares if i don't know all the facts!! THATS THE MAIN PROBLEM!!!!!!!! Barely any of the parties interested in this know any of the facts as to why he disappeared and then just casually asked not to be bothered whilst he finishes the ECU. If this many people don't know whats going on then they are hardly going to back the project if it ever goes furthur

It has already been stated that 25 people have lost faith in the idea on TB, how long before everyone on here or any other forum follows suit.

I'm doing what I can in the limited free time I have available.

Why don't you ask someone in the electronics trade how long (in terms of man weeks) it would take to design a complete retunable ECU package?

PCB designer, Hardware designer, mechanical designer, VHDL programmer, assembler programmer, software programmer, parts buyer, and test engineer?

Then see how long it would translate into if only ONE person worked on it in their spare time.

The basic hardware to make an ECU that is tunable by electronics geeks is easy. The hardware design was finished 9 months ago. (Two people have kindly tested the basic hardware).

Making it such that the hardware fits in the ECU securely and ordinary people can tune it with a GUI is a lot harder. Sadly this is the part that no one sees.

However, progress IS BEING MADE as you can see in the recent pics of the rev2 ECU.

Also, I had a lid spacer drawn/made (but admittedly it needs tweaking!)

Also I programmed up a little LCD datalogger for the dashboard. It's coded for a rev2 turbo but it can be reflashed for other ECUs.

It shows loads of useful stuff like knock activity, boost, fuelling, TPS, TVIS, TVSV ign timing etc etc.

I also spent ages experimenting with USB only to abandon it in favour of RS-232 as it made the LCD datalogger too costly to make (USB host?)

I'm also looking at GUIs for PDAs.

Just because I'm not regularly posting on Toyota forums doesn't mean the ECU project is abandoned.

[JMR_AW11]

(I also bought a new gaming PC a month or so ago with a huge monitor so I've wasted a bit of time playing games... )

From the man himself......

Yeah luthor, great excuse for disappearing and not telling anyone. Why are you defending him sooo badly.

Give me a break...

My previous PC was a 500MHz P3 with a CRT display which I've used since P3s first came out.

The new one is a quad core and has a top monitor and top graphics card and I spent SOME of my limited free time playing games on my new PC.

Is that a crime?

[JMR_AW11]

I have to agree with Paul!

WTF why should a third party fund someone elses "so called" project!!! If Paul isn't making money from the final product then why should he input funds.

Luthor, who cares if you want this project to work! If it means the main man behind the project has to ask people for money, or go missing for a few months to "play games" as he quotes!!!!

How comfortable are you that this is just a part time hobby or idea that he works at maybe once or twice a week???!?! Doesn't make it sound like he is putting in the effort required to want to make this a success.

And please tell us how to make Royal Mail work as you vlearly think some people cannot fathom the difficulty that is sending goods.

Paul said there was some funding available, then didn't cough it up? What's your problem? Fund it/don't fund it. That's a PERSONAL decision.

"why should a 3rd party fund it" - they shouldn't if they don't want to? But don't say you will and then moan and whine and change your mind without saying anything!

"Who cares if I want this project to work" - well clearly that's just a silly question. No-one will care whether "I" want it to work, that's retarded. People may or may not care whether "the project" works.

Goodness!

Fund it, don't fund it. Just stop moaning in this thread. If you knew why he wasn't around as in the real reason you'd all pipe down. So just take a seat soldier, it's all going to be fine.

Hi Andy
Thanks again for the support.

[raptor95GTS]

...........
Also I programmed up a little LCD datalogger for the dashboard. It's coded for a rev2 turbo but it can be reflashed for other ECUs.
..................

oo does this work ok for the rev3+ units?

[darryl_p]

this the Uk is a free country, so if you dont want to support/buy help out with something you dont have to.

the 3S-GTE community is about to get a major boost in the real understanding and tunability of the 3S-GTE engine.


i still think if you are sent something free to test then help, thats just bad manners, and if you broke it, then return it.
the trouble with the world is too many people wont help each other... and this was a case of where both parties would have helped each other. i'm having to waste time and effort to go along a similar line to whats already been worked out. i've hacked my wiring loom to data log everything i can, i'm resuraecting my old assembly language programing skills to start reverse hacking the ECU, cos i liked what was being done. i'd rather not waste time, and would prefer to help.

so lets leave the winging and whinning, if you dont want to use / read about this then ignore the thread, if you want to go on with it, then keep in it. simple really.

[teazer82sr]

grown up men fighting like girlies. come on lads sort it out. im interested in this project, not all the handbag throwing thats going on.

i think your doing a great job mate, keep up the good work

[Gersen]

Muhh?!?

Have I misunderstood something?

This guy is doing something that could make the tubbie community a hell of a lot better off in terms of understanding and modifying our motors.

His free time is his own and he's said more than once that he's very busy with his actual job. He's said from the beginning that there is a lot of work to do so it's hardly suprising that it's taking him time.

I know there are alot of people that are very keen to see a finished product, as it will be relatively inexpensive and a pretty damn powerful tool - but the reason it's going to be those things is because it's being done by an enthusiast in his spare time to a high standard.

The last thing I'd want to do is come home from work tired and work on my hobby if it felt like an obligation - it would suck all the fun out of it.

Anyway - your efforts are appreciated Jeremy and obviously eagerly anticipated - best things come to those who wait and all that (I still maintain that Guiness is foul though )

Have some patience guys.

[teazer82sr]

Muhh?!?

Have I misunderstood something?

This guy is doing something that could make the tubbie community a hell of a lot better off in terms of understanding and modifying our motors.

His free time is his own and he's said more than once that he's very busy with his actual job. He's said from the beginning that there is a lot of work to do so it's hardly suprising that it's taking him time.

I know there are alot of people that are very keen to see a finished product, as it will be relatively inexpensive and a pretty damn powerful tool - but the reason it's going to be those things is because it's being done by an enthusiast in his spare time to a high standard.

The last thing I'd want to do is come home from work tired and work on my hobby if it felt like an obligation - it would suck all the fun out of it.

Anyway - your efforts are appreciated Jeremy and obviously eagerly anticipated - best things come to those who wait and all that (I still maintain that Guiness is foul though )

Have some patience guys.

you have hit the nail on the head here mate jeremy you are doing a grand job here and i wish i knew only half as much as you about ecu's. yes it will be a powerfull tool for us to have and will possibly help others to understand what is going on within the ecu.

i cant wait to see this when its finished