Tim Bill and IMOC-UK

[Tim-B]

If the committee have spent funds on this case i would like proof to show wear as the whole thing was basically dealt with over a few PM's and some emails. No formal action was taken and no legal letters sent to each other, I feel these were words spoken in the heat of the moment.

I've stated I want to do what’s best for the club, if that involves me leaving then so be it, if you want contributions then I’ll do.

I'm trying to make amends for my mistakes, I’ve expressed these feels to the committee and said if there is anything I can do they only need to ask, I've publicly apologised.............Don't know what else you want me to do.



Tim

[Tiamat]

May i ask the Committee if any 'funds of IMOC' have been used to defend / investigate / reply to TB's legal letter ?

No IMOC funds were expended in connection with this matter as the matter was never taken to formal legal proceedings. The original claim was treated under the appropriate protocol as a letter before action, however, due to the goodwill of the Committee the costs of dealing with the same were not incurred. Basically I gave up my time both privately and professionally to advise the Committee. Despite the fact I could have legitimately charged for this I chose not to do.

[Lauren]

Cosmosbluemr2, there wasn't ever a formal legal letter issued to the imoc committee so a formal and costly letter was returned. Because there could have been a legal complication as i was removed i was advised to inform the committee that they were breaking the contract between me and them and that was against the law.

Myself, Tiamat and Benf then spoke about me returning to this club, I gave up alot of privileges that I was entitled to in the affiliates contract to meet them half way so I could return to this forum, so don’t think I brought them to there knees and fought for every petty thing. I stated all along I didn’t want to cause trouble and there was a situation we could both be happy with.

No money was wasted on this so please don't think the forum has lost out. I came back to contribute to this forum and make amends for some of the trouble I’ve caused the last few weeks, The advice I received to inform them of the breech in a legal contract was issue so I would be taken seriously.

I've basically removed myself from this forum for the past week or so, but I thought I would reply to this post as alot of the wording in posts and information makes this whole thing appear alot more serious that it really was.

Tim

You made a legal threat. Legal action would have resulted in the club closing whatever the outcome. You knew that.

Time is money Tim. We have spent an awful lot of time corresponding with you, with countless emails etc. Also we have to now make some changes to the club which will cost a considerable amount of money.

You were banned. You fought over every possible wording of the conditions of your return. Please do not state otherwise. If you didn't want to cause trouble you may have done well to respect the committee's decision to ban you in the first place.

[Tiamat]

People, may I suggest we leave this little saga here, right now.

All that can be said has been said.

All points likely to be made have been made.

Also Tim, please consider any reply very very carefully, you are making it extremely difficult for the Committee not to reveal the nature of what has gone on. Now whilst we have chosen to keep it quiet on the grounds of legal priviledge, we can choose to waive that priviledge.

Lets all move on now people and look forward ot JAE2007 and some beverages and sausages (of the BBQ variety)

[blue2]

Just been reading through this and cant believe the amount of posts this has generated. Isnt it time that people let this go as its getting a but sad now isnt it? I mean if its true that someone actually threatened legal action against the club they say they are here to help, well I think that is pretty low. Time will tell whether this person stays a member purely by the correspondence they may or may not receive. Thumbs up to the committee as they have obviously put a lot of work into resolving this matter and I suspect they also wish to wash their hands of it.

[michael]

Just been reading through this and cant believe the amount of posts this has generated.

Why add to it then?

Isnt it time that people let this go as its getting a but sad now isnt it?

Why add to it then? Maybe it had been "let go" and you've woken it up. The post above yours, from a committee member, suggests it be left to die but you still posted... lead by example perhaps?

I mean if its true that someone actually threatened legal action against the club they say they are here to help, well I think that is pretty low.

Ah you posted to say something, just like everyone else did. OK you repeated the same thing plenty of others have said already but I guess you had you reason, otherwise it would have been "a bit sad" and hard to believe that another post had been generated.

Time will tell whether this person stays a member purely by the correspondence they may or may not receive. Thumbs up to the committee as they have obviously put a lot of work into resolving this matter and I suspect they also wish to wash their hands of it.

Well repeated.

In summary don't have a go at people for doing the same thing as you but earlier please.

[blue2]

Oh get a life! I posted on this thread as I was amazed at the amount of stuff thats been added, so that anyone reading through for the 1st time could see my comment. Your post on the other hand is pretty bl00dy meaningless but I guess you enjoyed wasting a few minutes of your time posting it
At what point did I have a go at anyone? do yourself a favour and read a post properly so if you feel the need to surgically examine and criticise a post you have all your facts straight, I wont be adding anything else on this thread.

[Leakie Tbar]

+1 ^^

[Tiamat]

Keep on topic or do not post please people.

The Sheriff

[Martin F]

whats done is done so why cant we all just let this go and enjoy the privileges this club brings and the people we`ve met and posted too.if anyone has a problem with another user then don't reply too there posts.

by dragging this on we are all putting this club in danger and wasting people`s time that , put a lot of there spare time into letting us use imoc...

please for the clubs sake just let it go...

enjoy the site and enjoy the summer

martin

[tonigmr2]

<can't resist>

I liked Mr Potato head and friends.

I'm trying to make amends for my mistakes, I’ve expressed these feels to the committee and said if there is anything I can do they only need to ask, I've publicly apologised.............Don't know what else you want me to do.

Agree to show us the correspondence in full, then we can judge whether it was serious or not.
T

[Tim-B]

I'm not going to get into the details of this as its not going to do any good and just drag this on further which is doing all of us no good. Although the admin and committee have done a good job and acted professionally through this which should be commended.

All that is needed to know is that the club was never in any danger.

I've offered my apologises and said all I want to do is contribute to this club any do anything to make amends.

I don't know what else you guys want me to do?

Tim

[Lauren]

All that is needed to know is that the club was never in any danger.

Tim

Not true at the time.

[tubby_tony]

Am I right in thinking that there is NOTHING that the committee or members can do in order to have Tim-B removed from the forum? I think it is clear that he will not do this voluntarily.

If so lets just lock this thread and move on. Individual members can then decide what communication/contact they want with the individual based on the current evidence in the above thread.

However, I still think that the communications between the committee and Tim showing the threat of any legal action should be published as soon as possible to bring total closure to this incident. Even then, I dont think anything will persuade Tim-B to resign. He is here to be as big a thorn as possible.

[skinthespin]

Well let us all see what was said then. If you've got nothing to hide.....

[tonigmr2]

I've offered my apologises and said all I want to do is contribute to this club any do anything to make amends.

I don't know what else you guys want me to do?

Tim

*Groundhog Day*

You know what we want. Either put up or we draw our own conclusions, and a good many of us may not feel like making you welcome as a result.
T

[Tim-B]

I’m not trying to be a thorn to this club, why would you say that?

The club would only have been in danger if it actually went to court, that would never happen and I was only advised to talk to tiamat about legal action to be taken seriously.

I've been emailing members concerned with this thread and going on emails I’ve received there is a huge percentage of this club who have said there happy I’m back and willing to contribute to this club, there is only the small few who have said I should leave. So I’m stuck in the middle, I’m trying to make up for the trouble I’ve caused yet a small few won’t even let me do that. So I don’t know what people want me to do.

If the majority want me gone then of course I’ll go.

Either way I intend to leave for a short while after this thread is concluded. I'm trying to keep everyone happy on here but its hard to do when I’m in a no win situation.

Tim

[markiii]

So I don’t know what people want me to do.

Tim

I'm not in the camp that wants you to go, or that which wants you to stay however you keep asking

So I don’t know what people want me to do.

Tim

they want you to remove all doubt and allow the publication of the whole correspondance, people will then decide for themselves.

simple enough request

[V8Killer]

I’m trying to make up for the trouble I’ve caused yet a small few won’t even let me do that. So I don’t know what people want me to do.

Ahhhh...i would be one of them then. Thats only my opinion. However doing a quick search, you were still attempting to promote your products (albeit in a roundabout way), this is considering your affiliate status has been removed. So are you truly back onto help others, or to promote your products through the backdoor, which will continually pi$$ off the committee?

You could say I put alot of faith and respect in the committee, which is unfortunate for you because your a knowledgeable chap, but lets be honest here, the committee don't really want you here, period.

Do what you think is best. But like i said to you in PM, if i were you i'd just walk away from this quietly as soon as you see fit.

I have nothing against you and am sure we'll see each other at a future meet / event / trackday / dyno day where we can have a few drinks

[Lauren]

The club would only have been in danger if it actually went to court, that would never happen and I was only advised to talk to tiamat about legal action to be taken seriously.

Either way I intend to leave for a short while after this thread is concluded. I'm trying to keep everyone happy on here but its hard to do when I’m in a no win situation.

Tim

Actually we would have folded the club as soon as you took legal action out, way before it went to court.

If you are trying to keep everyone happy, i'd hate to see what happens when you want to pee people off.

You are in a no win situation, because you put yourself in that situation. It is nobody's fault but your own. Why not accept responsibility for your actions?