are all evo drivers big heads

[BarronMR]

compared to our 10%

In your dreams, more like 17%.

my friends evo was recently dyno'd at 328 @ fly and 242 ATW.

No it wasn't, it was dynod at 242 ATW and the dyno guessed 328 at the fly. However my old VI was very similar. 249 ATW and using a figure of 24% that comes out around 328.

Where the mr2 will hurt your evo the most is co-drag efficiency, our low CD will allow us to make better use of our power. Simple physics really.

You forget the gearing on the evo though, that's where it gets its acceleration.

Fair enough but I still quoted for 17% losses with 200hp ATW for a mr2.

The dyno in question was a MLR dyno day racingline at halifax where I'd say 40+ evo's were present and I believe the MLR are quite happy with the estimations of fly power.

Also the sizable front end and rally design of your evo is a major detriment to your ability to accelerate above certain speeds.

Just out of interest, how different are the ratio's of a evo2 GSR. Surely 1st comes to about 35mph, 2nd = 60mph, 3rd = 90ish. Can't be way out.

[eatdrinkfeck]

don't want to get my head bitten off...but i quite like the old shape evo's!

(and i don't like burberry either)

[Lauren]

As many people have said. Each to your own. You take someone who can REALLY drive and whack them in an MR2 vs someone in an Evo ON A TRACK and there won't be much of a difference BHP for BHP.

Andy Walsh in my old NA MR2, 170 BHP was 1 second slower than he was in a 240 BHP MR2T which was three seconds slower than my 280 BHP EVO VI all on same course, same day, same driver.

You phail

Aidy, I love you!

Do you know as soon as i saw you post, i just couldn't help but think about that night out at the Irish in Nottingham, what with you going AWOL.

I remember my friends asking what you looked like to which the reply was; "He looks like he hates everyone" and later you getting a taxi home with my short-skirted housemates. Classic.

Had no idea you were still lurking!

[Aidy]

Aidy, I love you!

Everyone loves me, I'm a people person

Had no idea you were still lurking!

I don't, but someone posted this thread on imoc-uk-chat so I thought I'd come shoot some fish to have for my tea later on

Anyway, I trust you're still keeping the old imoc spirit alive and showing these n00bs how to treat an MR2

[mattcambs]

This thread has become embarrasing. Come on guys, don't stoop to this silly banter.

We all love cars. There is something to admire in all cars (except of course PT cruisers).

Evos are amazing cars for many reasons. For other reasons they will obviously not appeal to everyone: same goes for any car.

Aidy, you seem like an intelligent bloke and your posts are entertaining, but you seem to be enjoying antagonising us lot just a little bit too much.

Can this please be the last post on this thread?

[marc GT Turbo]

i think its just harmless banter at the end of the day i dont think anyone means any offence . aidy has kept this thread going in good taste and entertaining value. ive had a good old laff from this thread

[Lauren]

I don't, but someone posted this thread on imoc-uk-chat so I thought I'd come shoot some fish to have for my tea later on

Anyway, I trust you're still keeping the old imoc spirit alive and showing these n00bs how to treat an MR2

LOL!

Ahh IMOC Chat, of course, hence Steve popping up, haven't looked at that for ages.

And yes, I remember now, it was you passengering with me in Alan Head's MK1 at Donny that time wasn't it?

[Aidy]

Alan Head - another name I aint heard in a while.

Looks like most folk around nowadays don't even know who I am

*sobs into Cheerios*

[Scotster]

As many people have said. Each to your own. You take someone who can REALLY drive and whack them in an MR2 vs someone in an Evo ON A TRACK and there won't be much of a difference BHP for BHP.

Andy Walsh in my old NA MR2, 170 BHP was 1 second slower than he was in a 240 BHP MR2T which was three seconds slower than my 280 BHP EVO VI all on same course, same day, same driver.

You phail

So you now class a 240bhp MR2 as having the same BHP as a 280BHP evo??

Interesting.

The most honest thing i have read from you so far is about the evo running out of puff. I found it died around 110-120 not 100 but at least you were being a lot more honest.

Ur talking about 93etc evo's being under 5 seconds for 60 and yet the MR2 is still faster over the quarter mile standard. With a few tweaks an MR2 can do 60 in around 4.5 and thats only by putting the boost up. Not any major modifications. Now, if we take into consideration that the MR2 is 2 wheel drive, thats significantly better than the evo.

I still say an MR2 can go round a track as fast as an evo. Its just MUCH easier to take the evo round fast than it is the MR2 so it doesn't happen very often. Fun driving isn't driving round corners fast while half asleep, its flying by the seat of your pants doing 25 round a roundabout.

After 6 months of ownership i just felt that i could drive at 100 miles an hour through the streets while sleeping and still get home safely. It got boring mate. I'm still glad i had one as i always loved them but its just not worth the money for what u get out of it.

BTW, if you think that some of the guys on here can't afford evo's you should check out some of the money poured into their cars. MUCH more than i could ever dream of affording and yet they still stay with MR2's. Must be something in it.

Scott =op

[Aidy]

So you now class a 240bhp MR2 as having the same BHP as a 280BHP evo??

What you were meant to gain from that is that a 240 BHP MR2 was 1 second quicker than a 170 BHP one. Yet a 280 BHP EVO was 3 seconds quicker than the 240 BHP MR2.

I still say an MR2 can go round a track as fast as an evo.

Say what you want, it doesn't make it so and I think Andy Walsh pretty much proved it.

Its just MUCH easier to take the evo round fast than it is the MR2 so it doesn't happen very often.

It's not easier, it's just quicker cos the evo has better traction.

Fun driving isn't driving round corners fast while half asleep

I agree.

its flying by the seat of your pants doing 25 round a roundabout.

Only in the evo you're going 30 so it's even more fun

[splashnatz]

proton triple valve evo's rock too.

[Lauren]

Alan Head - another name I aint heard in a while.

Looks like most folk around nowadays don't even know who I am

*sobs into Cheerios*

I still speak to Alan daily on another forum... he's part of the bookatrack trackday crowd. He's got an MX5 at the moment. Goes with his image i think.

Is Mailer still on chat? Now that is a guy who knows how to party.

I wouldn't worry too much about people not recognising you, it was a different era back then. There are the old diehards still on IMOC (Ben, Toni et al.) but a lot have moved on i guess. Funnily enough i got an email from Donald the other day, he does just out of the blue, asking if i was married yet.

[Aidy]

He's got an MX5 at the moment. Goes with his image i think.

What is it with that bloke and tiny cars....has he lost any weight?

Is Mailer still on chat?

He's still there and ghey as ever.

Funnily enough i got an email from Donald the other day, he does just out of the blue, asking if i was married yet.

And are you....?

[Lauren]

He's got an MX5 at the moment. Goes with his image i think.

What is it with that bloke and tiny cars....has he lost any weight?

Is Mailer still on chat?

He's still there and ghey as ever.

Funnily enough i got an email from Donald the other day, he does just out of the blue, asking if i was married yet.

And are you....?

Actually Alan had a weight scare recently, he was at 155kgs(!) he's now lost 20kg so getting thinner i think. Maybe he likes a snug fit?

Mailer may be gay, but it was always like something out of 'fear and loathing' whenever i go out on the social with him. Happy days.

No i'm not married, not even engaged. It was five years last week!

[Aidy]

It was five years last week!

Don't worry, it all goes downhill from there

*continues on at work cos there is not much point going back to an empty home*

[V8Killer]

I've owned both and am going to give a unbiased view of both cars.

Evo VII:

Untouchable on the roads. It will eat 99% of cars up on an A->B road. Its a very refined but a lethargic drive. Its one of those cars you don't even realise your going quick in. When i first drove the VII, i thought what a load of rubbish. I then went back and drove the same car again for an hour or so and honestly its one of those cars that grow on you. You push it to its limits (or so i thought) and it just grips and grips and grips. Very very very easy to drive quick. The Evo truly does make you feel invincible, effortlessly.

Rev 3 Turbo:

Bang for buck, you can't go wrong. The MR2 Turbo is an EXTREMELY capable car, but ONLY and ONLY in the right hands. Very easy to get wrong and when you do get in wrong you can get yourself into some serious trouble. Another very very quick A->B car (if you know what your doing), but ONLY in dry conditions. Forget even feathering the throttle in the wet, its pointless. In-fact leave the car in the garage.

Conclusion:

If you want to feel invincible go out and buy an Evo. If i was to do my engine rebuild again with the MR2 i would've probably started with an Evo (thats a lie, i'd have started with a 3.5 V6 from an Avalon in the back of the '2), he he!!!

The Evo is an extremely capable car, like i said above, untouchable on roads. But, for me personally there is just something about the MR2, which gets my adrenaline going when you punch that throttle. The turbo spooling over your left ear, the wastegate chatter and the whole feeling of going fast, the way it trail brakes and the way you can let the backend out at will. Its just so much fun. The same fun, which is difficult to achieve in an Evo!

[V8Killer]

I remember my friends asking what you looked like to which the reply was; "He looks like he hates everyone" and later you getting a taxi home with my short-skirted housemates. Classic.

Were they a bunch of mingers

[Lauren]

I remember my friends asking what you looked like to which the reply was; "He looks like he hates everyone" and later you getting a taxi home with my short-skirted housemates. Classic.

Were they a bunch of mingers

Not at all. Mind you Aidy could fill you in on that.

[Lauren]

It was five years last week!

Don't worry, it all goes downhill from there

*continues on at work cos there is not much point going back to an empty home*

Oh dear.

I'm happy.

[ryan]

Great thread ...

There really is no way an MR2 will keep with an EVO on the average B road, with the same driver skills.
As for rally cars, I think they'll set you back a bit more than 27k new. More like 250-500k. I'd like to know where the similarities are between a road going evoscooby and a WRC, but only like the MR2 and JGTC really.

I recently sold my MR2 because I couldn't really afford to run it and maintain it as it needed and didn't want it to decend to an 'old shed' status, but after buying a house and 'getting on my feet' I will be looking for another turbo, or maybe an NSX.
Aidy why have you not considered such a car? The NSX hasn't decended to chavdom like the EVO/MR2?

Oh, and I think i'd like to hear a bit more about this night out in Nottingham, or what happened AFTER the night out