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- what is any spangly new website going to offer that you can't get from the IMOC site? I suspect this is the biggest issue with your membership decline; £5 IMOC membership with a fully loaded site and hundreds of helpful members, versus £30 with no website, few members and what would appear to be a whole lot of politics?...Tony jinxy froude wrote:Vix, with all due respect here, as soon as the phone was put down after Stuarts call to you both regarding the decision regarding the website, you both resigned, not by phone call, which would have been the honourable thing to do as Stuart had done regarding tthe decision to go with the pro design, but by email, so if as you say your resignation had nothing to do with who's design we went with, rather than comunication, it certainly didnt come across that way.
How long could we have left it for a website to appear before we issued an altermatum to Phil
the previous post was in answer to Kev by the way,
i haven't, I still have the limp to remind me!! It makes him look like the baddie when we say how long it's taken him to do the site, perhaps people need to realise it was just a human being volunteering in his spare time after all. There are still a few people holding on to the rope, but they are dwindling.Kooga wrote:Playing devils advocate
Was just thinking your boat may have sailed.
vix wrote:Tony jinxy froude wrote:Vix, with all due respect here, as soon as the phone was put down after Stuarts call to you both regarding the decision regarding the website, you both resigned, not by phone call, which would have been the honourable thing to do as Stuart had done regarding tthe decision to go with the pro design, but by email, so if as you say your resignation had nothing to do with who's design we went with, rather than comunication, it certainly didnt come across that way.
How long could we have left it for a website to appear before we issued an altermatum to Phil
the previous post was in answer to Kev by the way,
I was under the impression that resignations had to be done in writing, hence the e mail.
i wasn't digging up old skellingtons when I posted, i was just making sure people didn't think we had stropped off because the committee didn't use Phil's site, when it was really down to so much more.
Perhaps if Phil had been given a timescale originally, he'd have worked to it? And some people seem to have forgotten, again, why he hadn't been able to work on it from July to Sept.
Kooga, appreciate your comments, but the boat hasn't sailed yet.
Welldone anyway Vix & Phil for trying 
coverco wrote:Perhaps a public forum is not the best place to air grievances, it is an amusing read but it really does not present the club as a unified body
(thrashed 
) whether a mk1 club is there or not.Kooga wrote:Playing devils advocate
Was just thinking your boat may have sailed.
& a forum devoted to just the mk1, info on club runs, gatherings, the list goes on, if none of these floats your boat, then i guess you dont need to be a member anyway . The club politics has only surfaced because there are so many people who are pationate about the club & are willing to do something positive about it that we have initially run with it in different directions in haste to get something done, but this has now been sorted & guarantee that the new modern club will be totally different to the old one, all those who work behind the scenes do it vollentarily, all have regular jobs & all have families, but all work hard for YOUR club, so before anyone slates what has / hasnt been done in the last few months, why not get elected onto the committee & start making a change the same way we have all done , Jinxy Surely moving away from this site would split mk1 owners, so that both IMOC and the mk1 club are left with less members who may be able to offer help/advice?(Playing Devil's advocate) I notice there aren't many familiar names in the mk1 section of mr2oc...Kooga wrote:Playing devils advocate
Was just thinking your boat may have sailed.
(new style) mags are worth the money, IHMO. December's addition arrived a couple of weeks ago, and I'm still re-reading it, wishing I had more time to attend some of the events. Louise and Karl have done a great job, along with all those who contribute. We cant thank IMOC enough for allowing us to have a forum on here, but time has come for the club to have its own identity, this means that postings on the mk1 club forum will be only be for members. There will be a knowledge base on the new forum just as there is presently on here, it will be updated & in some cases re written if need be. Technical guys will be on the new site as they are here at the moment, so nothing will change there. MR2OC are a mixed MR2 forum, the MK1 club is not just a forum but a club too, which caters for just the MK1 unlike the MR2OC. We realise that not all of you will join the new club for one reason or another, but we hope you will join & make a difference. Jinxy(are they likely to do this?) to maintain it.(and you are left with a frozen website) eg something fairly basic to maintain yet with some punchy images. The current site fails to meet even these basic requirements. Take a look at most car club sites and they look pretty basic. The key is to keep it updated and change the homepage images now and again. Will a pro designer fix this problem? (regularly) provide this material? If this person exists then why isn't this material already getting onto the current website? All that gets updated are the 'for sale' ads. You don't need a pro designer to maintain 'for sale' ads.JMR_AW11 wrote:The worry with a pro designed website is you are tied to one designer unless you can get them to hand over the complete design to the club
You then need someone who can understand it
If you don't get the handover then you are always at the risk of the site effectively dying overnight if you fall out with the designer
I would have favoured a 100% club designed site that could have been maintained and/or updated by anyone with basic website skills.
Don't forget this is a website for an ageing car with dwindling numbers of these cars on the road.
The current website is pretty grim yet even it wasn't kept up to date.
I'm not so sure because the designer will need to be fed new material for uploading and who will
If there was a replacement website available on Dec 1st then why didn't the club take it?
Surely it had to be better than the current website? Even if it only ran for a few months?
& from the committee itself & its members via the committee, so every member plays a part in its sucsess or failure for that matter, the committee can only do so much as with the club mag, the rest is down to the membership.& effort to revive something that died with the dinosaurs. Phils website had issues which i wont go over again here, which is why it was decided that a pro designer take over the task, again with its members consideration at heart, incidentaly Jeremy, are you a mk1 club member, if not why not & what would you do differently to improve things within the club ?, Jinxyvix wrote:waynestoyotamr2 wrote:
Whether he meant it that way or not, I'd just like to make it known that i was not one of the people holding the club back.
"If in doubt - just make the numbers up!" The format was becoming increasingly tired.(eg a CDROM/DVD guide) and also to improve the website. They don't go to organised events and may feel left out.'members directory' where people could find out how many members are in their area and those that were willing to be contacted could be entered into a local club directory (online)which could include a basic blog for each member with images of their car and interests etc.& cant be changed, we can only give out the relevant info on gatherings, runs etc, short of wacking every member over the head & bundling them into a 40ft container only to be opened at a mk1 club event isnt an option, we have tried to get members to attend events in their cars, but the sucsess of any event is down to the members at the end of the day, we hope the forum & newly developed club will at least spark some life into the membership & encourage everyone to experience such gatherings & contribute to their club., JinxyTony jinxy froude wrote:
'signed-up' members? I do hope it's not going to be a paying-members' access only club.- let me explain a little. When I first got my mk1 I found the club website and spent a while going through the entire thing. I found there to be a lot if useful information on there, but not many signs of life! Then, following the link, I found the IMOC mk1 page, which seemed to be full of very helpful, knowledgable people. Now, IMOC does not require money OR membership to browse its pages (apart from the premium member section, but who uses that anyway?). Therefore, I used the sight as a non-paid-up member for a while until I felt I could justify the fee and became a full member, which I was happy about because I knew what I was paying for./Fast forward a few months...... my mrs buys herself a Ford Puma, which is a very nice and interesting car, so I do the same thing I did with the mk1 and look on google for an owners' club. Sure enough, there is an online forum. However, first of all, to even view it you have to sign up (which I'm not too fussed about but did rile me a little), but that gives you access to a very small proportion of the sight. I've had problems with posts being moved, by moderators, to parts of the sight I cannot see because they were not deemed suitable for where they were. To see replies to my questions, I have to pay to become a full member ](./images/smilies/eusa_wall.gif "Brick wall"){kind=small}
which doesn't impress me much, as its not my car and I only have a casual interest in it. I have hardly bothered with the site since. They will probably just keep posting on IMOC for free, rather than go through all the effort of signing up/paying for an additional forum. 'test the water' before deciding if it is for them. A 'paid members only' club would send all the wrong messages. and sorry if you have already discussed this - I was just curious to know!Tony jinxy froude wrote:Jeremy, the reasons why you left are no longer relevant, The new club will be far removed from the way the old club was run, but some things remain
I'm suggesting a blog based method for local club members to meet up informally if they share similar interests (could be anything from mountain biking to wine tasting)JMR_AW11 wrote:
I wonder if there could be some kind of
+1 for members' directory! Also, maybe a members' history would be good too... my car was covered in mk1 club stickers when I bought it, and I found a 2002 mag in the glove box. I'd love to find out who its past owners were and what they did with it."LOL" actually.- but this is not a small task - it might even take 2 years!!!!! I dont want to be sharing my JAE stand with Mk2's (no offence to Mk2 owners btw) and I dont want to be a small part of the IMOC picture and I dont want to be tucked away in the corner behind the toilets at JAE like 2008!- if anyone can offer any skills, time or indeed experience from how things worked in other clubs and you also love the Mk1 MR2 - contact anyone from the Committee and offer your services."If in doubt - just make the numbers up!" & some sections of the site will be for members only, Much of the knowledge base stuff takes ages to write & ages to complile & much more of it is planned, this will benefit members of the mk1 club, without protecting this kind of information whats the point of having a club & where do we generate income to improve benefits to club members, surely £20 odd is not too much to pay for this kind of info as well as the other club benefits you only get out of a club what your prepared to put into it. If you were to work hard on something which takes up most of your day, would you feel the need to share it with the world for free, or share it with others for a small fee ? , Jinxy