MKI Engine Swap - Complete

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System-G
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MKI Engine Swap - Complete

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The Story
Shortly after buying my MKI MR2 through an ebay seller, I noticed a few “oddities”, but left them until the car had been serviced – or to let servicing determine whether these issues were “life threatening” or not.

The service showed up signs of either piston ring failure, burnt valves, head gasket or any combination of all three.

I was now looking at having to drop the engine, strip it down completely and starting a full rebuild, which was going to cost a fortune and wasn’t worth it for this little car.

I posted my woes on MR2 forums and another member came back offering me the engine from his MKI for next to nothing. I researched straight engine swaps and found that changing the engine was going to be easier and cheaper than a re-build.

I scouted around for suitable places and all were quoting pretty much the same and eventually settled on MKII MR2 specialists Rogue Systems based in Kenilworth, Warwickshire as they would allow me to be physically involved. The car was booked in for work to begin on the 31st of May.

I found out (my fault for not reading emails properly) a few days before the actual swap that the clutch had been removed from the donor engine and sold. I managed to find another clutch and collect it within 24 hours thanks to Fellow IMOC member Chris (Limeymk1).

The late spec engine was in a pretty sorry state when I collected it and it looked like one or two bits would need to be used from my old engine. Not a problem as I knew all the bolt on bits from my original engine were fine. One concern was that the engine was washed two days before collecting it and I noticed water still gathered in spark plug holes when picking it up.

Day 1
Once the engine was dropped off at Rogue Systems, we had a proper look around it and found some corroded pipe work. Not a problem - have the same bits on my old engine. We also noticed the drive shafts on the gear box were knackered and decided to use the gear box and drive shafts from my old engine.

The engine before removing it:
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9:30am - We began removing the original engine. Under-trays off, wiring loom and other cables unplugged, we then had to remove the rear lower suspension bits for access:
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we then removed the front and back engine mounts, leaving the side mounts in place and had to make sure the engine support stand would balance the engine once out the bay.
We dropped the car down so the engine support would take the weight of the engine and unbolted the side mounts from above and lifted the car, leaving the engine on the stand. The engine was out by 11:45am.

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We started stripping the bits off the donor engine for cleaning, polishing and spraying. We also started stripping the old engine of the bits we knew we were going to need.

We spotted a hole in one of the upper pipes leading from the water pump and replaced it with the identical item from the old engine.

On removing the cam covers from the donor engine, it became apparent the state of it and serious cleaning began. We opted to use the old cam covers, throttle bracket on the new engine as they were in better condition.

With the new clutch in place, we then fitted the old gearbox and drive shafts to the donor engine.

Whilst the wiring loom was being prepared for the new injectors and being fitted to the donor engine, I cleaned out the engine bay as best as one could. 20 years of grease and grime was not easy to shift.

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With the paint dry on the cam covers, Throttle bracket, Cam belt cover, Plenum/throttle body assy, we fitted them to the donor engine. The differences in the plenum and throttle body became noticeable and we opted to use the old plenum/TB assy – so off it came from the old engine, cleaned up and sprayed. We left it overnight to dry.

Old plenum/throttle body:
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New plenum/throttle body:
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Day 2
Started again at 8:30am and finished fitting the plenum/TB to the engine. We also noticed a few sensors were different and had to swap them over in order to get the ECU working properly as it did before.

By 09:30 we were ready to align the engine for re-fitting.

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By 11:00 the donor engine was in place with the mounts secured and we began reconnecting the cables to the engine and plugged the ECU in.

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Now this is where the fun began.

Once we were happy that everything was connected, we started filling with coolant and bleeding the system.

The coolant pipe we replaced was leaking at the seal. This had to be removed in situe taking around an hour! We found the sealing “O” ring had split whilst re-fitting. A replacement ring was found from a MKII heater pipe – it fitted perfectly. The coolant pipe was re-attached to the water pump.

Coolant fill part 2 commences. We find another leak half way along the larger coolant pipe attached to the water pump. We battled again to get it removed and replaced it with the pipe from the old engine.

Coolant fill part 3 commences. The larger coolant pipe appears not to be sealing to the water pump and a custom gasket had to be made.

Coolant fill part 4 commences. Now with the two pipes attached to the water pump replaced, we were happy until we spotted another leak on the side of the block.

Pic of offending part from old engine:
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It turns out to be a bolt missing. With the bolt replaced we filled with coolant a 5th time and…. All seems fine :D No leaks anywhere! By now it’s late afternoon and we’re behind schedule.

We fill the engine with oil and discover the sump is holed (corroded) in an area we had never seen a sump hole before (just below the seal at the rear of the sump). We decide to leave this for a while and press on as time was ticking on.

With all connected, levels OK we attempt to start the engine. It won’t start.
The engine seams partially seized! With the gearbox in 2nd, we turn the rear wheel and un-seize the engine and attempt to start again – no luck – the starter was just “clicking”. We eventually found a bad earth and got the engine to turn over with ignition.

A new sump was ordered. Mat at Rogue Systems decided it would be best to fill with new oil as the oil that came out the engine was in a right state with old oil deposits and water from when the engine was cleaned.

So now with the new sump and fresh oil and engine starting and running fine, I collect the car a very happy man :D

Final engine bay pics:
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Thank You’s
A very big thank you to all at Rogue Systems especially Matt and Patrick. I would recommend them to any MKI, MKII or MKIII MR2 owner for servicing or engine swap work.
Contact details: http://www.revision6.com

A big thank you to John (aka Megatron) for the engine and other bits you threw in!

Thanks to Chris (aka Limeymk1) for the clutch, dizzy and other advice given

Also the following for advice:
Paul Woods
Lauren
Kev (Crazylegs)
And others on IMOC & MR2OC who I may have forgotten
http://twobrutal.co.uk
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Very nice mate, looks bling now!
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Propa shiny! \:D/ nice one!
Those pics look just as good as in real life ;)
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Superb job! I bet she's a very different animal now, hey?

Next job bodywork? :lol:

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Well done in getting it swapped, there are always a few "issues" to sort once the new lump is in place, I was only running on 2 cylinders on my first attempt to start.

Looks much better to use a vehicle lift rather than what I had to do, perhaps I'll have to invest in one :)

http://www.photobox.co.uk/album/880123

Quick question, the old engine, are you selling bits off, I'm after some of the plastic cam belt covers and the cam belt idler / tension pulley, any chance??

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Garrick, good write-up, I admire your perserverance! So is it all running nicely now?

Makes me glad to be a part of imoc :D
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All is good so far 8)

I haven't pushed the engine at all, because it was in a bit of a state (water soaked from cleaning and with a fair bit of old engine grime) when I collected it. I am letting the oil swish around thoroughly first and then do another oil change in a couple of weeks.

There have been a few minor niggles - nothing too serious, which have been sorted or are being looked into. But nothing serious at all.

I have removed all the bolt-on items from the block and head bar the flywheel, a few brackets, pullies, new cambelt, cams and sump.If anyone needs anything, please note the head and block can be collected as a whole item as is. Things like valve shims and tentioner pullies can not be removed at Rogue Systems mainly due to Health & Safety issues.

The block and head is going to be collected to go to scrap tomorrow. If anyone can collect it whole before Friday, let me know ASAP so I can cancel getting it scrapped. Please note you will need to collect the entire thing from Rogue Systems in Warwickshire before close of business on Friday.
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System-G wrote: Things like valve shims and tentioner pullies can not be removed at Rogue Systems mainly due to Health & Safety issues.


Don't get that. :-k The buckets should slide out easily with a set of pliers (gently) or a good pair of fingernails. Shims are £11 each from MrT so are worth holding on to.
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You should at least take off the cam covers mate, worth a few quid on ebay to someone who wants to refurb them.
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Limeymk1 wrote:
System-G wrote: Things like valve shims and tentioner pullies can not be removed at Rogue Systems mainly due to Health & Safety issues.


Don't get that. :-k The buckets should slide out easily with a set of pliers (gently) or a good pair of fingernails. Shims are £11 each from MrT so are worth holding on to.


Dunno mate, just going on what I was told :wink:

If no one want the block/head assy, I might just collect it myself before Friday and then supply people with what they need.
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I'm ok for bits but I know Vashy was after a selection of shims.
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Sure am, Garrick, if you do grab the engine before they scrap it, I'll mail you my valve shim removal tool, makes it much easier!
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Is it an easy device to knock up John, I need to de-shim my buckets.
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I'll take a pic of it tonight if you like. Or you can borrow it no probs. (pm me your addy)

There's a pincer-like piece and a valve-hold-down piece so you can do it without taking the cams out.
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Post by Tony jinxy froude »

Well done for persevering with it, it looks great now, i know how frustrating these things can be... ive had my fair share of bad luck when it comes to MK1's ( how do you think i got my user name !!! ) but you will reap the benefits when your flying down the motorway :lol: , well done !!!, Jinxy
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Good stuff!

Looks very nice. This means you'll be on for Elv now.. :P
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What an interesting an informative write up - nice one Garrick!
Looks like all the hard work paid off and the engine looks exceptionally bling too!

=D>
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nice one,does it go as well as it looks? if you do get the shims out i`m after a selection as well.
thinking about it anyone got a load (different thicknesses) they dont want?
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Congrats. I knew you had scheduled the swap, then needed parts, then we heard nothing. i got worried for a while, there...
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Thanks again guys (and girls)

The engine seems to be running OK - really smooth and pulling strong through all the gears. However, there are a few teathing problems with possible faulty sensors (oil pressure and TPS) and the very odd brief blowing of white smoke followed by a drop in oil pressure.

Compression test I did today showed up nothing too much out of the ordinary.
No.4 = 172psi
No.3 = 190psi
No.2 = 187psi
No.1 = 172psi

But reading the Haynes manual, I realised I may have done the test wrong - so will give it another go tomorrow. With the compression tester pluged into a cylinder and the other three still have their plugs in, will this effect the readout on the tester? (never personally done a compression test before so it was kinda guess work).
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