xxxx and IMOC-UK

[Martin F]

whatever tim has done has been mostly done in private .ok it may have been wrong but for the average user of this site its a great loss.he has helped and advised many a member and has been an inspiration to the modding of the mr2.

tim has admitted to being in the wrong and its just a shame that now every member is going to lose out on his knowledge and advice because of something that hasn`t really affected or involved the average user of IMOC.

think that an alternative punishment would have suited the club and it`s members better than an outright ban especially as were all here for the same reason.

it`s sad that it`s come to this.......!

[mr2nut123]

I think to be fair it should be down to a vote. That way, the members can decide who they want in the club?

[Lauren]

I think to be fair it should be down to a vote. That way, the members can decide who they want in the club?

You can't vote and make an informed decision on information you are not informed on. That would be bonkers.

Its been absolutely fair. If you read the thread you'll see that even Tim agrees with this. Whats more to say really?

[RyanRs]

Well how about an online 'Hearing' / 'tribunal' within the forum? if Tim and century agree to publicize some or all of this evidence, maybe us Members could also analyse the evidence and combined with our personal dealings with Tim, we could PM votes to a chosen Moderator etc ??

sounds to me that its all childish competition got 'out of hand' due to personal rivalry, and if that's the case, things always get said that aren't meant. so therefore, allowing us access to the evidence and giving us a say, would be more beneficial to his reputation than just Banning him, giving him the Big unprofessional thumbs down, and not letting us 'potential customers' know exactly why!?

[Speedy]

Tim agreed that he broke the rules (See RedEyes post), so he gets another Formal Warning, it's his third one, so it's a ban - there isn't anything to discuss about if Tim did something wrong or not.

Quoting from the message from tim, back on page 2 :

Over the last 8 months there has been an intense rivalry between myself and another Imoc affiliate, over the last few months its been getting more intense, a recent email from an overseas supplier confirming the spreading of rumours and me being a thief to gain my dealership was the last straw. I obtained that email on the night I posted those PM’s. One was I reply to a member who was contacting me regarding engine building components and asked my honest opinion on 2nd hand internals. I gave my opinion, which I can now see was deemed as negative towards his business. The other PM was continuing a discussion from MSN were myself and a previous customer of the un-named affiliate were talking about mechanical practices and quality of work, the PM did contain some negative comments that were biast feeling from myself towards this other affiliate.

[blue2]

Wow, Ive just spent 10 mins reading through the last 8 pages, interesting reading to say the least. Dont have much experience with any affiliates on here but from what Ive read it looks like the committee have been working overtime to come to their decision.
Its good to see that this topic has been left open and that members of the committee are replying to the large amouts of comments, its obvious this decision has not been taken lightly.

[redeye32uk]

If you read the thread you'll see that even Tim agrees with this. Whats more to say really?

Tim agreed that he broke the rules (See RedEyes post),

I would also invite anyone wishing to comment to read the post from Redeye32uk on behalf of Tim at TB before making any further comments.

Now i do state at the begining of the post that the three commitee members are refering to, on page 2 of this thread, that Tim e-mailed me his message. Funny how some e-mails are accepted an others are not .... just wondering.

I didnt think Tim actually had any products and was infact a middle man just ordering stuff from other people and passing it on

Shows what little you do know then.... didn't think is about right.

Don't think i'll be posting on this thread anymore as there isn't anymore to say, said more than my ten pence worth and i'm glad the threads being left unlocked..... an Tims reply was allowed to stay on.

[skinthespin]

So what does Tim produce then? And what does he develop which his name would suggest?

You should all lay off the admin team, if Tim conducted himself appropriately and in a professional manner as an affiliate should, even if 'baited' then he would still be here.

[tonigmr2]

Agree with skinthespin. No matter what the baiting, or any other handbagging frankly as an affiliate you should act with some maturity and get over it, do your trading and do it without resorting to childish and let's be clear here - ethically questionable underhand tactics.

If people choose to defend that because he did them a good deal once or twice, well that is only your decision. It doesn't mean the whole community wants that kind of going on in the club. I haven't dealt with either alleged party so no particular axe to grind. But I do know from my previous time on the committee, they would've researched it to the nth degree before coming to a difficult decision.
T

[Speedy]

Now i do state at the begining of the post that the three commitee members are refering to, on page 2 of this thread, that Tim e-mailed me his message. Funny how some e-mails are accepted an others are not [d'oh!] .... just wondering.

Because we want to show that there are no hard feelings, and he has been able to say sorry and goodbye. We cannot and will not be drawn into larger arguments which exist outside of the IMOC website.

[Icsunonove]

But I do know from my previous time on the committee, they would've researched it to the nth degree before coming to a difficult decision.
T

Yes it has. Behind the scenes there are a total of 19 pages of discussion relating to this.

A lot of work has gone into making this difficult decision, checking the facts etc etc especially by Lauren.

Bear this in mind: Apart from spammers (and bearing in mind we have over 7600 members) we have only banned three members I believe.

A ban is not something we take lightly and it is not something that we either want to do or want to spend time researching / discussing etc.

[Icsunonove]

Funny how some e-mails are accepted an others are not .... just wondering.

We are not the police. We can only go on what happens here on IMOC. Whatever is said on the telephone, said in person, said in emails is inadmissable.

[Quigonjay]

Bear this in mind: Apart from spammers (and bearing in mind we have over 7600 members) we have only banned three members I believe.

so apart from tim and Xxxx, who was the other one? blood uk?

[Lauren]

Funny how some e-mails are accepted an others are not .... just wondering.

We are not the police. We can only go on what happens here on IMOC. Whatever is said on the telephone, said in person, said in emails is inadmissable.

Tom, he is quoting us from an email he received from Tim then posted.

Tbh Redeye, you are just being pedantic for the sake of it. Clutching at straws maybe?

[Bry]

Just read through everything and think it's a difficult one to deal with personnally,on one hand IMOC is all about the members,no members no IMOC,so if members are not happy with a decision that the IMOC committee has taken then surely the committiee has got to listen to what the members want (ban TB or not Ban TB,sounds like Shakespear,lol) but on the other hand,you gotta have rules !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[steve b]

Well very sad, from almost day 1 on this site Tim's been treated as "the bedroom trader" that irritates other traders on the site with his low prices they can't match because they are "running a proper business",.. I thought that had all blown over and been left in the past indeed some of those traders having parts from Tim etc.

Recently I have noticed a new trader local to Tim that seems to follow Tim around the board goading him, quite frankly i'm not supprised human natures got the better of Tim and he's spoke his mind or whatever concerning them (in private via PM). In my opinion the wrong traders been removed from the board.

No one on the board (except 2 Bar tuning) has offered the level of free technical advice that Tim has.

It is a loss for the board.

[Tiamat]

Bry, I agree that we have to listen to the members, but also in the interests of IMOC we need to keep certain information off the public domain, do not forget that ANYONE can read this forum if they choose to do so. Accordingly, people are not privy to the full facts.

As has been said before, it was not a light decision.

Steve B. I agree this is a loss for the board. However Tim has control over his actions and was warned about his conduct on several occasions. We cannot make exceptions to ANYONE for their conduct just because they have contributed a lot. Also as said above, you are not privy to all information and whilst you may have your opinion about other traders on this site, we have not been made aware of anything that they have conducted on or through the site that would lead to them receiving a warning.

To all members: if you have concerns about any member or trader's conduct on IMOC then report the same to the Committee. This has not been a witch hunt against Tim, this has not been targetted at Tim, it has simply been the Committee dealing with issues in an appropriate manner.

[redeye32uk]

Tom, he is quoting us from an email he received from Tim then posted.

Tbh Redeye, you are just being pedantic for the sake of it.

Right this is my last post on this thread..
Yes Lauren, i was beening padantic and i almost said so in the post but removed it.An Toni, i don't think i've at any point said that Tim behaved correctly as he hasn't. I've just been trying to point out imo that there are 2 sides to this and due to whats allowed as evidence only one side gets blamed.

[tonigmr2]

Redeye I can see you are incensed and you feel there is an injustice, but it must be very very hard indeed to authenticate any messages from any other source, I really can't see what else they could've done. Reading between the lines from above it seems the evidence was very one-sided and shockingly so. I'm sorry but whatever happened without IMOC using the board to retaliate is going to attract a warning. He didn't get banned for this, he got banned for THREE such warnings. It's an ongoing thing with Tim, and he can't blame any other affiliate for it, he has responsibility for his own actions on three separate occasions, and neither of the other two were the fault of this chain of events (I was on the committee at the time for the other two).

Three strikes and you are out seems very very fair to me.

T

[luthor1]

What Skinthespin said..

furthermore - Tim played the game, not quite as well as the others. That's life.