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. I was saying that if its causing such a fuss why not delete them or the whole topic?! Dave Goodhand wrote:I know no posts have been deleted here.
As its now just getting silly but I'm still not particularly fussed with what you think of me from these posts but its a strong point that I feel strongly about and would expect the same reaction had this post been originated by me.
Surely its just easier to delete the post and be done with it?!
We're debating, wouldn't like IMOC to be accused of deleting posts just because it's a debate now would we? 
tonigmr2 wrote:Dave Goodhand wrote:I know no posts have been deleted here.
As its now just getting silly but I'm still not particularly fussed with what you think of me from these posts but its a strong point that I feel strongly about and would expect the same reaction had this post been originated by me.
Surely its just easier to delete the post and be done with it?!
Why would we?
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. hmmm not that post deleting has ever gone on before on these boards (although not to me) (after you've been hospitalised or whatever) and expecting a response like.. its ok its only a car is fine, but you have to accept other people will see it and say "F*** me, how fast were you going and at what time of the year in a MR car?! you're a fool" Although those who put themselves in harms way are asking for trouble and you have to accept that even F1 drivers crash but I can see here that the MR2 obviously wasn't designed to be driven in the wet, so next time it rains I best pull over as I might come to a roundabout on my journey and we all know we have to avoid them like the plague.Dave Goodhand wrote:
So if it was that bad why post it on a public forum.
Sorry for saying what I think but I still feel the same way regardless of what happened, if I was ever in that situation I'd expect people to do the same to me.
It's a before and after of something that will have had a major impact on his life, it's not as if he's posting the second pic and bragging about his ability to damage every panel while nearly killing himself and his cousin now is it?- I think people are just a little frustrated with your 'holier than thou' approach to this when it's clearly something that he's already learnt from and happy to admit that he was very much in the wrong. What I'd rather think though is that now people have seen the awful picture and read the honest feedback from the person involved that a few 'spirited' drivers might take it easy on the damp roads or take the chance to take some driver training in order to be better prepared for those times when things don't go as planned.Sorry Michael but we don't see eye to eye here.
For the record even if I wanted to delete this (and I don't) I couldn't, I have no more control over things on here than you do. (I can't speak for anyone else) is that in a situation like this where the person involved is being honest about making a mistake and has clearly suffered should we be adding to the punishment with messages saying how silly he was?Like me or hate me.
- however in these circumstances I think tact rules over complete honesty. There is a difference between patronising someone and simply offering help to try and stop something similar happening again, I think this is where I have a problem with some of your rantings 
IF you post anything ona public forum, the opinions can go either way and you have to accept that otherwise don't post. Also, I think if you look past the abruptness, then Dave is right again, all teh points he raises are valid nad I haev to admit, last nihgt i was doin 40mph and thought of this post. I cant see myself how doin 40mph would put the engine throught your back personally. I slipped on ice as some of the older members mihgt rememebr and I hit a BMW 7401, a Rav4 and a Mark 5 Golf writing off all of them. At 45mph all of them were written off but all my car suffeded was a moved a pillar, damaged wing, door adn popped rad, THATS IT. And after minimal expense is parked outside still going and looking great. So how did THAT damage happen 
Come on guys, I really happy he's fine and sympathetic to his whole experience but you surely haev to see this.'committee' members are also right that a certain degree of sensitivity has to be used in these circumstances and all that Dave has said could still haev been present and non attacked if it had put a little more gently. Thats right Micheal, I AGREE WITH YOU! 
I'm sure the poor guy can see the overall thread for what it is and can see a well balanced thread opinionwise. I'm getting better now though (thanks for asking) got my body brace off and even went swimming last night! It was only meant as a warning to others that things DO go wrong and it's not always the "others" it only happens to. If he wants to get personnal though, I think it would be unreasonable. I could say I'm older and wiser than Dave and maybe he might have an incident in the coming years (God forbid) but that would be out of order, I don't know the guy and you can never see what's coming in life. I'll just get my flat cap and pipe, sit here reading the paper and stay indoors incase I have some fun or hurt myself. You could ask why did I break my spine and get a blood clot on the brain and my cousin only got bad whip lash and was in hospital only 3 days? It's really all about luck and circumstances. I'm also taking my advanced driving test and maybe the DIAmond test too this year. I'm sure these will make me a better driver but I already know what to and what not to do. One incident which I'll never know what happened will hopefully be the only blot on my life behind the wheel. I'll still enjoy my driving which WILL be spirited at times, of course only when conditions permit. I'm not reckless, just a guy who enjoys driving nice cars."drive" a car for enjoyment. Thanks for all the support and comments. I hope it's made people think a bit more about what life is about and driving is a big part of that for me. Go out and enjoy yourselves folks, live by the time that's there infront of you but take care.'fatal' crashes these days and a fellow member going through all that and having the sense to warn others warms my heart. I have never had an accident in 14 years of doing 40K+ miles a year and it's always in the back of my mind that one could be round the next corner.... think this is what Dave should be thinking too!!.... It's just a matter of wrong time, wrong place and I do not doubt you're driving skills for 1 minute as I know just how easy it is to flick the back of a Tubby (by the way that looked a beautiful car Bro)................. Everyone thinks that they're the best at it.... But in reallity...... 
I seem to remember he drove several members MR2s at the last national MR2 day the MR2DC arranged and they were rather impressed. - glad to hear you are on the mend. I think most of us appreciate that there but for the Grace of God go I! Hope it hasn't put you off MR2s and we'd love to see you back here with another someday.Bobby (aka Shaggar) wrote:On a siimilar topic did you guys see that 1990 review of the MR2 with Tiff postedd recently? Man, put the sh*ts up me! He's actually putting his foot down in a rev1 with 14" rims ona crappy windy rough country single lane road in downpour!!!!!
He's got bigber balls than me!
pretty big inbox Ill email it to ya buddy.