Brake upgrade

[2mad]

They were about £150 an axle delivered including charges from the us .. yeah not the bigest fan of t1r's ether after ending up in a tree .. but they were way better than nankang .

[QUOC2008]

and whats the price difference in them? I dont rate T1r's tbh

More like linglangs vs slick tires

[kev8611]

No I haven't tried them because for what I do my ebc's with Brembo HC's do me fine.

Comparing oranges and apples here, Obviously these super duper pads will be better for track use than the "death traps" I have fitted due to them being more expensive.

Just seems because people own a set of pads, they are the best you can buy, all others opinions are irrelevant... But i suppose thats what this forums about

I use these 99% on road and street in london and 1% on track and is my daily driver car.
I use to believe any old pad will do as they are all the same with alittle difference and thought big brake kits etc are way to go until one day i read a whole aload of forums evo rx7 gtr honda etc and all said carbotech no real negatives eg. Price, dust, disc etc apart from that... all 100% positive so hmm tried and tested ax6 i was shock how good they were.

seems like quite a bit of research then, so what research did you do to come up with the conclusion that ebc's are death traps....? Obviously, Im just curious as I have them so I just want to make sure I am not going to die when I press the brakes

Ashley, yeah fair do's but my point being the price difference, Not saying it is you or anyone personally that have this way on the forum but just in general I am more concerned about driving my car as the brakes might not work

[2mad]

so what research did you do to come up with the conclusion that ebc's are death traps....?

I have them fitted to my car ... They are death traps ..


I'm starting to feal like i'm banging my head against a wall Kev.


Compared to ax6's there junk .. Sorry .

[QUOC2008]

No I haven't tried them because for what I do my ebc's with Brembo HC's do me fine.

Comparing oranges and apples here, Obviously these super duper pads will be better for track use than the "death traps" I have fitted due to them being more expensive.

Just seems because people own a set of pads, they are the best you can buy, all others opinions are irrelevant... But i suppose thats what this forums about

I use these 99% on road and street in london and 1% on track and is my daily driver car.
I use to believe any old pad will do as they are all the same with alittle difference and thought big brake kits etc are way to go until one day i read a whole aload of forums evo rx7 gtr honda etc and all said carbotech no real negatives eg. Price, dust, disc etc apart from that... all 100% positive so hmm tried and tested ax6 i was shock how good they were.

seems like quite a bit of research then, so what research did you do to come up with the conclusion that ebc's are death traps....? Obviously, Im just curious as I have them so I just want to make sure I am not going to die when I press the brakes

Ashley, yeah fair do's but my point being the price difference, Not saying it is you or anyone personally that have this way on the forum but just in general I am more concerned about driving my car as the brakes might not work

Ok honestly i had ebc green red and yellow stuff on my car after a 6months my calipers seised brake fluid went all black and the pads messed up my disc. Braking it worked but i had to brake very early to stop alway over shot the red lights just thought it was a my car that was the problems. Got new calipers and briaded lines master cylinder etc complete brake system over haul... and ebc pads and disc again brakes fails work properly oem pads were much better. Then again over haul the brake system again this time got carbotech and wow.... never knew brakes could be this good

Even with the brake system not working 100% then got d2 big brake kit ds2500 overhaul brake sys again. It didnt work anywhere as good as carbotech so thought screw it brought carbo xp8 and the ds2500 is on the shelve now

[kev8611]

My pads were 30 quid. do fine. I am still alive and our cars ain't no slouch.

These pads you guys are on about are 150+.... clearly they are going to be good.... but because they are that good, does that make the other pads "death traps"? so really... no one should fit them to any car?

[QUOC2008]

I got pagid rs29 on my evo cost £260 and are crap so no price doesnt always get wat u want. Their on the shelve now and i got ax6 for the evo.

Changing the brakes to carbo will help u enjoy the car much more

Tyres, brakes, handling are the 1st things then power then looks...

[ashley]

My pads were 30 quid. do fine. I am still alive and our cars ain't no slouch.

These pads you guys are on about are 150+.... clearly they are going to be good.... but because they are that good, does that make the other pads "death traps"? so really... no one should fit them to any car?

It's a fair point, if you just need average braking performance then go for it...or even stock pads in that case

Edit: just reflecting on the title of this thread...we are talking about upgrading here...not just average braking performance.

But still- I take your point mate

[QUOC2008]

If it price then just go for pagid... they are not bad

[kev8611]

My pads were 30 quid. do fine. I am still alive and our cars ain't no slouch.

These pads you guys are on about are 150+.... clearly they are going to be good.... but because they are that good, does that make the other pads "death traps"? so really... no one should fit them to any car?

It's a fair point, if you just need average braking performance then go for it...or even stock pads in that case

Edit: just reflecting on the title of this thread...we are talking about upgrading here...not just average braking performance.

But still- I take your point mate

Yeah absolutely, I get what most people are saying, however the op has not said he is looking for all out track and fast road so needs a good expensive set of pads and discs but to be fair he has not said he just wants them for a little better than standard either, which I feel I have achieved with my setup, however if it is going to let me down and possibly make me crash my car then I will change it.

[kev8611]

I guess to be blunt, Should any of us change our ebc pads for more expensive items incase we end up 6ft under?

[Race Idiot]

I guess to be blunt, Should any of us change our ebc pads for more expensive items incase we end up 6ft under?

Nah, but I bet for most cars the std toyota pads are fine. When I first got my current car it was on standard oem pads and I was more than happy with the performance on the street tbh.

I've had bad experiences with ebc, which has put me off using them.
But then i've seen and been in Pistol Petes sprint car which has ebc yellows on it and hes run that thing damn hard all day at several track and sprint events with no fade.

Another thing to think about is if the bed in process has been completed correctly. I'm pretty sure thats the reason my brakes completely wilted half way through a day at Castle coombe, because I never bothered to do any bedding in with them when I first got them.

[gnzyza]

I've generally had bad experience with EBC, I went through a phase where I changed everything on ours cars to EBC. On the Accord the first time round discs warped so got replacements and yellow pad these worked well.

On the Civic same thing, gave up and fitted ds2500, these pads were night and day and not too expensive.

As a performance pad I do not think they are a reliable choice, too finicky and fussy, hit n miss. Yes the yellow pads do resist fade when I had them on my car. If you have them fitted and no problems then great, as I said the application is hit n miss and at the price point EBC sales for it's understandable.

[kev8611]

I guess to be blunt, Should any of us change our ebc pads for more expensive items incase we end up 6ft under?

Nah, but I bet for most cars the std toyota pads are fine. When I first got my current car it was on standard oem pads and I was more than happy with the performance on the street tbh.

I've had bad experiences with ebc, which has put me off using them.
But then i've seen and been in Pistol Petes sprint car which has ebc yellows on it and hes run that thing damn hard all day at several track and sprint events with no fade.

Another thing to think about is if the bed in process has been completed correctly. I'm pretty sure thats the reason my brakes completely wilted half way through a day at Castle coombe, because I never bothered to do any bedding in with them when I first got them.

yeah thats true, ds2500's are 100 mile break in or something?

I have always fitted the same combination on all my cars, brembo hc and ebc ultimax (not even performance pads) and been happy, it may be different if i done just pads though. I done this once with ds2500's and was well impressed.

Seems like all OEM pads are pretty good across the board, for road use anyway

[raptor95GTS]

to be fair, the OP asked about the S14 4 pot caliper, supra front discs, Mazada RX8 disc conversion and what else was needed. However, since everyone started banging on about Carbotec pads that was the way the chat went. Interestingly the Carbotec site doesn't recommend the ax8 and above pads for road use. Go figure

[Draven]

Yes the braking subject has always been a funny one.

[raptor95GTS]

The stock brakes with a few modifications will lock all 4 wheels with little effort, fitting bigger brakes with the correct bias may lock the wheels with even less effort but they are not going to slow/stop the car any quicker. Fitting bigger brakes with the wrong front/rear bias could actually increase the stopping distance.

^^ and posts like this show a complete lack of understanding the basics never mind upgrading. My brakes lock the wheels therefore are in no need of upgrading... Brilliant thinking

[2mad]

The stock brakes with a few modifications will lock all 4 wheels with little effort, fitting bigger brakes with the correct bias may lock the wheels with even less effort but they are not going to slow/stop the car any quicker. Fitting bigger brakes with the wrong front/rear bias could actually increase the stopping distance.

^^ and posts like this show a complete lack of understanding the basics never mind upgrading. My brakes lock the wheels therefore are in no need of upgrading... Brilliant thinking

Yeah sorry nic you have missed the point by a country mile.. when i had ebc on my mr2 i could lock them easy , but not much braking took place .. with ax6's lots of braking happend and i cant think of a time i locked them

[QUOC2008]

People that Tried and tested different pads and braking systems have valid points but people that just read up on things talk alot of bs... everyone thats has tried carbotech will tell you locking up the wheels is not aproblem they have as you dont need to brake so hard to stop the car making it easy to apply the right pressure... instead of ebc pads where you have to jump on them with all your body weight to stop the car and end up locking the wheels.