Urgent advice please!

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ravelloracing
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Urgent advice please!

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I have an eBay case opened on me on the engine I've sold from breaking my car. Mechanical advice/help would be greatly appreciated.
I broke my 1994 Rev3 NA in Febriuary,drove great with perfect engine,well maintained and performed faultlessly.
Buyer bought engine on eBay,travelled 5 hour round trip to pick up.
Phone me a day after,said his manifold won't fit,can he buy mine. It was already sold. I asked why it wouldn't fit - he said different stud pattern and number of bolts. I asked what year his car is,turns out he has a 1991,so Rev1 or 2.
I gave him details of MR2 specialist who bought the manifold for resale,and he said he wouldn't bother,he was going to swap the heads. I told him to do his research on here before doing that due to incompatibility,but he insisted head was the same and he would swap it. I've since read that valves are totally different,not sure what else.
He's suddenly opened a case on me today claiming I've sold him a faulty engine as all pistons and valves are totally bent and the engine is absolutely knackered.
This clearly sounds like he's gone ahead and swapped heads and attempted to start it then.
I'm furious about it understandably,and want to know the following-
A) is this the damage that would occur if he'd gone ahead and done this
B) engine was drained of all fluids.if he had stupidly assumed the was oil it and started it,what would that do?
C) just to clarify,it would not have been driving perfectly if this had been like this before would it
Any advice would be great to back me up,as I will take him to small claims court if eBay were to decide in his favour and not bow down to a back street cowboy mechanic who paid £100 for his car with a knackered engine to put mine in and retail the car after,clearly not knowing what he is doing.
Tanks,
Paul.
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Odd. 3S engines are non-interference.

I smell BS.

In any case, if he took it apart before firing up, that's it, he's finished.
ravelloracing
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To be clearer,(sorry),his exact words are "the pistions are broken and the valves are all bent,it's unbelievable"
As you said,sounds complete BS to me too. The engine wouldn't have run in my car for starters!
Would he have issues running everything Rev1 with Rev3 head (loom etc)
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ravelloracing wrote:To be clearer,(sorry),his exact words are "the pistions are broken and the valves are all bent,it's unbelievable"
As you said,sounds complete BS to me too. The engine wouldn't have run in my car for starters!
Would he have issues running everything Rev1 with Rev3 head (loom etc)


I've swapped Rev3 turbo heads onto Rev1/2 Turbo blocks, as have many other people, but i've never done the same on a N/A engine.

I guess it is possible that the combination creates an interference engine, but i've never heard of it.

Try calling Sean at Hurley Racing. He's an N/A eggbert.

In any case, if he's done anything to the engine other than bolt it in and run it, it's down to him.
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I'll give him a call - many thanks.
The guy has obviously done the opposite to most too - put a Rev1 head on a Rev3 engine. All the posts I've been reading are the opposite.
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Just had a message back from him as follows-
"the engine you sold me is still in one piece and has not been touched or opened in anyway tried to turn it over via crank pulley turns half a turn and locks up possibly piston and valve interference but i cant say for sure i can get a independant report saying that the engine has not been opened in anyway in the last week but there is no way this engine was out of a running car i would of re advertised and not give you the headeake but i cant sell a faulty item on im sorry "

Would piston and valve interference contradict the fact that it is a non-interference engine? And surely he would have no way of knowing this if he had no touched or opened it in any way?

I know the engine was fine as I literally drive it for the day,pulled up at my garage doors,and removed engine the following day!
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Just tell him to do one. It's his words against yours and you sold it as seen with no warranty.
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ravelloracing wrote:the engine you sold me is still in one piece and has not been touched or opened in anyway tried to turn it over via crank pulley turns half a turn and locks up possibly piston and valve interference


b0ll0x. Non-interference.

Tell him to call an eggbert for advice. I'll talk to him. :lol:
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Not sure if this helps.....

My first rev3 car, about 12yrs ago now, decided it didn't want a timing belt. Was doing 40ish when it snapped.

Got recovered to my mechanic, new belt, worked perfect.
I, as was he, amazed that it had done no damage. Good engines and ime hard to break!

Good luck!
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I think your man is trying it on -non interference engine and the symptoms sound far worse than what he could have done. He's trying it on IF as you say it ran fine before. You already have an affiliate input -I wouldn't accept any other diagnosis / offer of help to the guy.
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Did he pay cash? If he paid via paypal i would call them and inform them of the situation.
Say you can provide proof of messages which suggests that he wanted to swap parts which are not compatible.
The case should get closed in your favour!!!!

Good luck :)
i like MR2
ravelloracing
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It was eBay sale,so he opened a case,I have til 13th to resolve it satisfactorily for him before it goes to resolution centre.
I've stayed calm and constructive in all my messages,whilst his have decended to personal insults and complete bull$h1t that is now contradicting his earlier messages. I've told him repeatedly to stop sending such messages and leave eBay to make decision when it goes to resolution centre - ie I'm leaving him to keep digging a deeper hole.
If ebay decides in his favour then so be it,I cannot be ar$ed to get wound up over it as I was. I'm dismissing having those funds currently so I don't effectively miss them if he wins,if I do it's a bonus.
The hardest part is proof,and due to distance and size it's not economical to ask for it back,or get it inspected. He offered an indepent inspection from a local mechanic but I told him to swivel in that one as he is a trader so would clearly just use another local contact to write what he wanted- I'm not that stupid hehe.
He sells cars in eBay,so if he wins I will enjoy making a couple of "genuine" long distance requests to view at a time he'll have to cater for then not show,just as he did with me more than once. A few of them should xxxx him off enough to realise how bloody annoying that is. He now denies this on eBay messages,yet I have the messages in my inbox!
Oh well,fingers crossed eBay do justice,if not I'll move on.
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