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Something people need to read before posting in the VS sec

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Sometimes reading people posts in the vs section really shocks me. Im not an old fart but I think 160mph on any public road can never be safe. If you want to prove your car/driving then you need to go to a track. Check out this link below and think about it next time you try racing some boy racer in his nova. What have you got to prove?



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I've always said that having a V's section on an adult website was the single most f*cking stupid idea ever about imoc.

It's childish and irresponsible, especially considering a toddler was recently killed my some idiot racing somebody in his MR2.

I'm all for racing on a track, but if somebody killed one of my kids racing his two on my street I can assure you his head and bo!!ocks would be in the "for sale" section that night.
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I know what you mean, though those that do do 'street racing' will argue that you don't have to read the posts and not having a section for 'Vs' will have no effect on whether they do it or not.

Also there is the issue that the posts wil simply crop up elsewhere.

I freely admit that when i was a teenager i used to do the street racing thing and would pretty much take on anything. But by the time i had got to my early twenties i realised that it was idiocy to do this on the road and actually thought to myself do i really care and at that point ceased to do it.

Not long after this i started doing trackdays and got into racing proper too. It wasn't long after starting trackdays that it became obvious that you can never get anywhere near the limit like you can on the track and from that point on i couldn't see any point in really pushing on the road anymore.

I guess at the end of the day there will always be those that feel they have something to 'prove' though whether or not they prove what they intended to is another story entirely.
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Lauren wrote:I know what you mean, though those that do do 'street racing' will argue that you don't have to read the posts and not having a section for 'Vs' will have no effect on whether they do it or not.


Fine they still do it, but don't allow them to brag about it here.


Also there is the issue that the posts wil simply crop up elsewhere.


That's for the mods to deal with, seeing as we have whole load of new mods I wouldn't have thought that was that difficult.

If we are supposed to be MR2 enthusiasts, responsible adults who are members of a responsible club - "IMOC UK" then why is this same club's website promoting such illegal activities by providing a dedicated forum section for such people to brag in??????

If some of you "V's posters" could only see the destruction a vehicle such as a speeding car does to a child's body you would never race again. Not to mention the utter destruction of the parents and family who have to remember the incident, and what their child looked like after the incident, and the pain of watching the child dying with nothing you can do.

You're a bunch of f&cking muppets.
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Fair point.

However i dont believe that any of you have not `had a go` in safe situations ie motorway, duel caraige way, from lights etc.

We can enjoy the cars without being illegal also.
Theres not many MR2 drivers i know that `race around streets`!

I like the Vs section but can see your point.
If you dont want to drive fast on public roads, buy a metro for £100 and keep your Mr2 for the track.

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I don't need to buy a £100 Metro to enjoy my MR2, I'm quite capable of driving it on the road at the required speed limit....

And there's an absolute difference in just "going from the lights" to a full on road race....
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So are we talking full on rd races here?
I dont think theres many Vs stories with `full on rd races`

And i cant remember many racing around streets.

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Graeme Shaw wrote:So are we talking full on rd races here?
I dont think theres many Vs stories with `full on rd races`

And i cant remember many racing around streets.

Graeme


The problem is that even a traffic lights GP has its risks even if its only in a straight line, we shouldn't underestimate that.
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"We had a go in Athens this summer. We race for 400 metres in one of the "tracks" in the city ceter. If everyone have ever been in Athens, I am sure that he will be familiar with...( the bet was 600euros )
The boxter had a better start. That's only because of the very expensive gearbox I suppoce. By the second gear we where next to each other, and my Dstek ECU worked fine and and by third I was half bumper in front. Fourth gear did not made any diffrerence and the race finished by finding me with 600euros which really helped me out with my new modifications."

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"Coiming off the A4 roundabout onto the M40 I found myself behind what I believe was a Westfield.
Lights went to Green and I managed to keep with him till the slip road but it then went off like a rocket. Admitadly having crap front tyres did slow me up but goin down the slip road I did have my foot flat down and the Westfield took off. Perhaps he'd looked in his mirror and saw me or he was just enjoying the drive but either way, I hit 100mph and he was a blip in the distance."

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"Hello everyone, thought I'd just tell you about my encounter with a new shape Honda civic type R on the way back from buyin my oil this afternoon!

I've seen this car around my area a few times but always when I've been on foot and no matter how hard I tried, I always lost!?

However today I was in my car on the way home and after overtaking a slow moving vehicle came up behind said Type R. Have to admit it was a nice lookin car, jet black with the lexus style tail lights, 4" or so stainless steel exhaust and private plate! Not sure whether its engine is standard or not, spose you can make up your own mind after hearing the outcome!!

I was behind him as we came to a roundabout and we both slowed down to about 30, me being in 2nd gear ready for the other side of the 'O'. The exit of the 'O' had a slight left bend which lasted about 200 metres so we left the exit and both nailed it!!

I could see his front end twitching as we came round the slight bend, and i was prayin that my back end would hold tight as the road was wet and the temp outside was about 5 degs C with the odd snow and rain flurry!

Anyway, my back end stuck solid and I was hot on his tail. Into 3rd, gaining on him very slightly then into 4th!! Could tell he was flooring it cos I could actually hear his exhaust over mine it was that load!

I was just about passing 5500 rpm in 4th and at this point he wasn't pulling away but to be totally honest I wasn't really gaining on him any more! It was at this point where we both had to brake for traffic ahead!!

Got to the next 'O' and he turned off whereas I went straight on, gave him a flash and a wave but no reply!! Either he was a bit grumpy or didn't notice me flash him, I'm sure it was the latter after all, he had a bit of a play in the first place right!?!"

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"Out last night with our brother paul gettin some petrol etc when we bumped into JJ.

Car has just been rebuilt with a td06 running 1 bar.

Anyway we had a tootle along the road to show jj how it goes.

Turned back round and it was time for race on

this is from my point of view i was bout 5 mile away in a 1.5 civic

2nd gear coming off a round about jj seemed to gun it first due to his superior driving abilitys.....or is it wheel bearings

Paul nailed it and seemd to catch up then through 3rd it looked like he pulled a car length or 2 past jj.

then hit the brakes ...... paul sideways......MUST GET WHEEL BEARINGS.

Not a very exciting story i know but just thought id post it.

Quote of the evening from JJ "You could take on the world in that thing oh and it doesnt half make a racket "

im sure other will be along soon to chime in."

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"Well, this was a quick bit of metal!

Was behind him last night, though not tailgating. We come off a roundabout, im in second waiting for him to nail it, but he doesnt, so I change up into 3rd at low revs and he guns it! He pulls out 2 car lengths before my turbo spools into life, then were off, and I can't gain at all! The car was running about 16psi (just over 1 bar).
We got to about 110mph and sensibly decided to slow down. I guess if i'd still been in 2nd gear i'd have not had him pull out those 2 lengths as he caught me by surprise.
I think the bhp/tone is slightly better on those as they're just under a tonne in weight I think?"

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"i awoke to se the sun rise,in over my garden as i stared out
the air was cold perfect for a turbo as i got changed thoughts ran through my head
go fast have fun burn some rubber be in the pub for lunch
as i steped out of my house a shiver ran down my spine there she was mornin mill dew runnin of her cerves with that front bumper smilling to me waiting to b fired up
as i sat and turned the key i new this was gunna b a good day her heart started to pound and she breathed fire into my quite road
i sat and waited for her to warm thinkin of the open roads the fast bends and newly lade tarmac on my fav roundabout
as i reversed from my drive and slowly crawled away fromt he house my heart started to to pound the stero got turned up i was FREE
after a nice gentle drive for 15mins and a tank full of gogo juice (optimax)
she was ready out to the road we headed were 5mins later we hit a duel carrige way
im stuck behind this knob in a bmw swerving all over the road wanting to get past a escort, tina (car) is waitin for it, her lungs full of optimax, cold plugs igniting the juice, supra turbo (cheers paul woods) wanting to hammer it
the road spilts duel carrige way for a mile here we go then suddenly the bmw driver gives me the finger in his mirror THE W**KER
tina suddenly kicks down a gear the turbo hits 10psi the roar from her ass is in full swing and im guled to the bmw,s ass he does,nt move so i take the inside pull up alongside him, turns my head smiles and shows him up to his missis and his mate that he is the biggest right hand jockey on earth tina has had her fun as we hit the floor and pull away with ease on our merry way
ive been drivn for 2 hours lightin the rear wheels driftin round corners i know hitin my limit speed of 110
decide its time to start jounery home OPPS forgot reason why i was out to get dads motorbike gloves for crimbo
pull into harly garage walk around looking for them tina is staring back at me wanting to hit the road again its time to go no gloves
she starts first time and were off again im crawlin along tryin to join the traffic on the duel carrige way FLASH wot the f**K was that i dont care tina does,nt either the foot is planted and were off 20,30,40,50,60,70,80,90,100 im behind it it was a brand new porsche carrera gt OH wot fun this will b
we both get stuck behind traffic waitin for a gap we find it he hits it so do i he cant get away over 20 meters im still there hunting him down like a 4year old waitin for santa
nice sweepin bend comes (1 of my favs)
on the brakes stuck 2 meters from his ass off the brakes drop into second car jurks ive F**KED the gear change SIDEWAYS WOOHOO
no match for his triptronic gear change i hold it together and she comes back to me (good girl) foot back to the floor and the PGT starts to pull away with open road infront off him
HAHA the lights turn red
i catch up (he was stoped) i pull up in the inside i look over he looks back
we rev the cars to show it on
I WIN SOUND OFF MY CAR IS WAY LOUDER
GOGOGOGO the lights turn amber 4k clutch dump little wheel spin
side by side then HOLY CRAP he went like a rocket with optimax in it
he pulls away by the time im mid second gear he is 3car lenght,s ahead and i never catch him he has the open road all to destroo me with
OH and he did
i c him about half mile down the road puttin the brakes on, i dont i keep foot to the floor catch him up he smiles and puts his hand up to wave i flash my lights and watch him spin the rear wheels up as he pulls off"

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"Went for a meet today, with a couple of mates and their various jap metal, no major exciting stories just what i can a good ass kicking hehe

02 CTR pushed from 70 odd until he had to give up and pull over, uk spec ITR tried to take the N/A beast and realised he bitten off more than he can chew, Starlet tubby running 190 bhp, quick car! pulled 3 car lengths at 80 odd was suprised at that. S13 and a clio 182 (full respect to clio though, goes around corners like its on rails )wasnt even a fight! Next time we go for a meet and have a battle i will write up a little story"

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"Well, from a rolling start I was exactly the same speed as the M3, gained a smiiidge just before the gear changes.

On the straights I was more or less with the evos, gaining as points (there were about 3 of them) but on the twistys chasing the MR FQ340 was hard work. And not possible. Elements were against me (dark+rain) so I think in the dry we'd be all over them."

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"i was in my rev3 tubby with my missus the other day , on a sliproad about to join a nice smooth section of motorway near me... i looked behind and this merc was breathing down my neck.. he was itching to get passed so i thought i'd see what my baby could do.. we both accelerated hard off the sliproad, and i was very chuffed to see i was very slowy pulling away from him, i pulled about 2 cars on him up to just over a ton..
i slowed down as there was some traffic coming up... then this bloke started playing the knob, flew up the inside and cut me up giving me a good view of his AMG badge and that he had 2 passengers with him... at that point i just backed off, pleased that i had just shown up a car worth a lot more than my little tub"

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The problem is that even a traffic lights GP has its risks even if its only in a straight line, we shouldn't underestimate that.


You're quite right Lauren, and we've all been guilty of those - myself included.

It's the full on road races that have the most devastating effects though, the ones where kids are hitting 110mph etc
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I think you have to draw the line between fun racing and dangerous racing.

Anything in a built up area is stupid. A, B, suel carraigeways i see no problem as long as you arent dangering other motorists. If you want to risk your own life fine, just not other people.

I have lots of races and as ive got older ive become more sensible. We were all tupid when we were young drivers.

Racing is fun and i dont see a problem on a non built up area with few cars on the road.

V's section should stay in my opinion. If you dont like it dont read it.
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has everyone blown off some steam now??

cos thats all you've done, this thread has made no difference to the way the world goes round :twisted:

just like many others i hasten to add ;)
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The Morris has hit the nail on the head.
I agree i do sometimes have a blast, but in safe situations.
Im sure i have nt seen any posts reading `i raced a nova around a council esatate at 4pm doing 70mph`
Admitadly There have been some silly posts, aint there in every section?


Kieron wrote:I don't need to buy a £100 Metro to enjoy my MR2, I'm quite capable of driving it on the road at the required speed limit....

And there's an absolute difference in just "going from the lights" to a full on road race....


So you have never broken the speed limit?

More importantly in a 30mph zone?


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The issue here is kids driving at 100mph plus on the road, not regular sensible drivers who drive around in a sensible manner.....
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Graeme Shaw wrote:If you dont want to drive fast on public roads, buy a metro for £100 and keep your Mr2 for the track.


I brought a Corrolla - serves the same purpose though. I really dont understand racing on roads, its just way too dangerous. A bit of a drag down the Motorway or on a Dual Cariageway is one thing, but some of the "vs" posts are insane.

We need to set an example as a club and get rid of the section entirely - maybe the people who insist on driving dangerously on the road will use a different club and leave us alone - then again maybe they will grow up and join us on track at Elvington later this month......I wont hold my breath.

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We need to set an example as a club and get rid of the section entirely - maybe the people who insist on driving dangerously on the road will use a different club and leave us alone - then again maybe they will grow up and join us on track at Elvington later this month......I wont hold my breath.


How about a poll to sort this once & for all
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If you read through all of the accounts it is apparent that racing is not the one and only cause of these tragedies, many of these reports involve loss of control of the car at speed due to driver error and also unforseen circumstances whether they may be mechanical or caused by other drivers / animals / objects. Accidents do happen but often they can be avoided by responsible driving, SPEED KILLS.
Racing yourself on a quiet dual carraigway may seem harmless until you've flipped the central reservation into the lone oncoming car that you didnt even notice as you were concentrating on the empty road in front.
Read through all the accounts on the link,read about the passer-by killed in a secondary collision whilst trying to assist victims in an earlier crash, read about the one and-a-half year-old toddler or the seventy-four year-old man killed on the pavement by out of control cars, read them all and then say 'It wont happen to me'
Food for thought, it certainley was for me.

Lets all keep ourselves and others safe out there.

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Its not a case of 'Speed kills' more a case of driving beyond your ability and not being in full control of your car that kills.

The problem is that as soon as someone gets into a situation where they are 'racing' someone else their perception of the risks is not realistic and risks are then taken.

This is exactly why if i'm enjoying driving my car on a nice twisty road away from pedestrians etc and someone else latches on to me i pull over and let them past as i have no idea what they can drive like or the risks they will take, i simply do not want to know.

On a racetrack it is an entirely different story and the gloves are off, but that is a controlled environment with marshals in place to assist me in signalling what is going on around with me, plus adequate safety provision in the form of rollcages, fire retardant suits and a 6-point harness and helmet etc.

Last summer i hit another car (in a race at Brands) at 80mph and i was grateful to have medical attention and within seconds i was on a spine board and whisked off to hospital. If that was in a road spec car without a cage and harness i am sure it would have been a lot worse.

In fact the whole speed thing on the road was a part of the reason for me getting rid of the SC as i kept finding myself getting carried away on the road and i could see myself getting into trouble with the law or worse still killing myself at some point.

I had a good chat with Jonny after having his honda CTR engined 'eRise' for a week last summer. Mental car, mental performance, but i was honestly glad to give it back at the end of the week as it was simply too easy to get carried away with it. He admitted much the same and said thats why he doesn't drive it on the road much anymore.

So i'm quite looking forward to getting my stockish Na on the road as it will help me behave myself.

My advice to those who like to go quickly would be to see the light and get into trackdays or racing as it seems to be the only therapy that works.
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This old record again? :?

Don't like it, don't read it.

People don't race just to post on imoc.



And calling people on here a bunch of F8cking muppets isn't going to help either. :roll:
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