| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
sw20GTS
Joined: 20 Aug 2009 Posts: 2826 Location: Corby Feedback Score: 5
1994 Toyota MR2 Mk2 Turbo Rev3
|
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:20 pm Post subject: [Mk3] [Turbo] Manual Boost Controller VS Electronic Boost Controller |
|
|
Let's say I am running stock ECU, stock engine, stock fuelling and the only mods are FMIC, straight intake, downpipe, de-cat and SS exhaust.
My target boost will only be around factory levels, not planning going higher than 1.2bar. Would an EBC make a lot of difference from a MBC?
Any thoughts?
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
sms14
Joined: 08 Nov 2008 Posts: 270 Location: Worcester Feedback Score: 14
|
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:01 am Post subject: |
|
|
Just my 2 cents mate but i very much dought it, i run exhaust,filter,downpipe and st205 on mine at 1.2bar with a gts chris mbc and ive never had any issues with it at all.
In comparison i used too have an avcr which used too constantly overboost when it got quite cold, hence the switch to the mbc, i never noticed any difference between the two!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Razor04
Joined: 09 Jun 2008 Posts: 2597
Feedback Score: 20
|
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:05 am Post subject: Re: [Mk3] [Turbo] Manual Boost Controller VS Electronic Boost Controller |
|
|
[quote="sw20GTS"]Let's say I am running stock ECU, stock engine, stock fuelling and the only mods are FMIC, straight intake, downpipe, de-cat and SS exhaust.
You have a front mount intercooler? far out dude
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
DaveB19
Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 200 Location: Belfast Feedback Score: 3
1993 Toyota MR2 Mk2 Turbo Rev2
|
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:56 am Post subject: |
|
|
| You'll need a FCD as well if turning the boost up.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Phill P Premium Member
Joined: 03 Jan 2009 Posts: 682 Location: Worthing Feedback Score: 10
1992 Toyota MR2 Mk2 Turbo Rev2
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
aw11rally
Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Posts: 643
Feedback Score: 2
1984 Toyota MR2 Mk1a
|
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:53 am Post subject: Gizzmo |
|
|
| Gizzmo now do an MS2 EBC which is even better!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Dale_V
Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Posts: 8119
Feedback Score: 49
|
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:03 am Post subject: |
|
|
MBC's are good, cant complain at what you get for the £
I switched from a GTS Chris MBC to an AVCR, and the difference is huge. The best gain is allowing full control of when the boost comes in and how hard, something you cant adjust with an MBC
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
sheppy Premium Member
Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Posts: 4443 Location: Bonnie Dundee Feedback Score: 8
1994 Toyota MR2 Mk2 Turbo Rev3
|
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:09 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Dale_V wrote: | MBC's are good, cant complain at what you get for the £
I switched from a GTS Chris MBC to an AVCR, and the difference is huge. The best gain is allowing full control of when the boost comes in and how hard, something you cant adjust with an MBC |
that's what i was gonna say, i've never personally used one but i beleive it's a"gain" setting or something?? i assume you'd just have it set so the boost comes on as hard and quick as possible,
as for FCD, give s-bits a call, i'm sure the one for a GT4 would be the dame as a MR2, i could wire it in for you if you like
_________________
| Turbonoz wrote: | I have never said a 400bhp stock-engined car is going to last 10-15k
If you want 10-15k from a 2L engine, you build said engine with forged internals, that's pretty obvious |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
sw20GTS
Joined: 20 Aug 2009 Posts: 2826 Location: Corby Feedback Score: 5
1994 Toyota MR2 Mk2 Turbo Rev3
|
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:29 am Post subject: Re: [Mk3] [Turbo] Manual Boost Controller VS Electronic Boost Controller |
|
|
[quote="Razor04"] | sw20GTS wrote: | Let's say I am running stock ECU, stock engine, stock fuelling and the only mods are FMIC, straight intake, downpipe, de-cat and SS exhaust.
You have a front mount intercooler? far out dude ![Cool [Cool]](images/smiles/icon_cool.gif) |
hehe it's for my GT4 but I thought I would ask here since it's basically the same engine
I already have an MBC I found lying in the car, not sure what make is it.
I really don't want to spend too much £££ if an MBC would suffice for my use. Just a bit doubtful since I heard baaaaaaaaaad things about using an MBC such as you will blow your turbo etc etc
@ sheppy : Would I even need a Fuel Cut Defender(sp?) if I am not planning to go for massive boost levels? At the moment I don't think I am even anywhere close to factory boost limit.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
sheppy Premium Member
Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Posts: 4443 Location: Bonnie Dundee Feedback Score: 8
1994 Toyota MR2 Mk2 Turbo Rev3
|
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:32 am Post subject: |
|
|
what's your engine?? rev3?? fuel cut is 17psi(iirc) so you wouldn't need one if you we're running under that, i think the s-bits FCD only goes to 17psi anyway, so it'd be pointless lol, if you want this MBC hooked up and VSV disabled though i can help with that
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
sw20GTS
Joined: 20 Aug 2009 Posts: 2826 Location: Corby Feedback Score: 5
1994 Toyota MR2 Mk2 Turbo Rev3
|
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:05 am Post subject: |
|
|
| sheppy wrote: | what's your engine?? rev3?? fuel cut is 17psi(iirc) so you wouldn't need one if you we're running under that, i think the s-bits FCD only goes to 17psi anyway, so it'd be pointless lol, if you want this MBC hooked up and VSV disabled though i can help with that ![thumleft [thumleft]](images/smiles/icon_thumleft.gif) |
Aye was thinking of doing this first to save some £££ lulz. I have one in my car somewhere. Already spent sh!tloads getting the car serviced
How long will hooking the MBC up take mate? Car's still in the garage but should get it back this weekend.
edit: Also, how do you know how much to turn the MBC though? I have a boost gauge but but I don't know how accurate that is lol.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
loudandproud205 IMOC Organiser
Joined: 30 Aug 2009 Posts: 1497 Location: lincolnshire Feedback Score: 5
1989 Toyota MR2 Mk2 Turbo Rev1
|
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:32 am Post subject: |
|
|
first rule
NEVER fit mbc with out an accurate boost gauge its the most important thing ive ever fitted to my car.
buy a guage and wind mbc right in so its at lowest setting, then repeat on an air feild prefereable untill correct boost setting is reached
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
sw20GTS
Joined: 20 Aug 2009 Posts: 2826 Location: Corby Feedback Score: 5
1994 Toyota MR2 Mk2 Turbo Rev3
|
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:37 am Post subject: |
|
|
| loudandproud205 wrote: | first rule
NEVER fit mbc with out an accurate boost gauge its the most important thing ive ever fitted to my car.
buy a guage and wind mbc right in so its at lowest setting, then repeat on an air feild prefereable untill correct boost setting is reached |
hmmm, there's an airport here but I doubt I will get to have a run on their runway
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
sheppy Premium Member
Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Posts: 4443 Location: Bonnie Dundee Feedback Score: 8
1994 Toyota MR2 Mk2 Turbo Rev3
|
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:38 am Post subject: |
|
|
| loudandproud205 wrote: | first rule
NEVER fit mbc with out an accurate boost gauge its the most important thing ive ever fitted to my car.
buy a guage and wind mbc right in so its at lowest setting, then repeat on an air feild prefereable untill correct boost setting is reached |
+1, it's a bit of a pain but once it's done you won't need to do it again, i set mine t 1 bar and haven't touched it since!!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Phill P Premium Member
Joined: 03 Jan 2009 Posts: 682 Location: Worthing Feedback Score: 10
1992 Toyota MR2 Mk2 Turbo Rev2
|
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:44 am Post subject: |
|
|
Was a bit worried about 1 bar on my rev2,about to fit bungs on the japspeed so that may bring it down a bit.
The MBC works just fine once its set,just be aware on cold days it may boost a bit more.
Paul
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
loudandproud205 IMOC Organiser
Joined: 30 Aug 2009 Posts: 1497 Location: lincolnshire Feedback Score: 5
1989 Toyota MR2 Mk2 Turbo Rev1
|
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:44 am Post subject: |
|
|
mine spikes like a like a right son of a b.... proberly due to trying to locate it in the cabin where i wanted it
think il spend today putting it in the engine bay but what an ass it will be if i want to adjust it
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
sw20GTS
Joined: 20 Aug 2009 Posts: 2826 Location: Corby Feedback Score: 5
1994 Toyota MR2 Mk2 Turbo Rev3
|
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:50 am Post subject: |
|
|
| sheppy wrote: | | loudandproud205 wrote: | first rule
NEVER fit mbc with out an accurate boost gauge its the most important thing ive ever fitted to my car.
buy a guage and wind mbc right in so its at lowest setting, then repeat on an air feild prefereable untill correct boost setting is reached |
+1, it's a bit of a pain but once it's done you won't need to do it again, i set mine t 1 bar and haven't touched it since!! ![thumleft [thumleft]](images/smiles/icon_thumleft.gif) |
yeah but where do I find an airfield here to test
Guess should just set it at the lowest first and drive it few times?
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
sheppy Premium Member
Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Posts: 4443 Location: Bonnie Dundee Feedback Score: 8
1994 Toyota MR2 Mk2 Turbo Rev3
|
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:52 am Post subject: |
|
|
| sw20GTS wrote: | | sheppy wrote: | what's your engine?? rev3?? fuel cut is 17psi(iirc) so you wouldn't need one if you we're running under that, i think the s-bits FCD only goes to 17psi anyway, so it'd be pointless lol, if you want this MBC hooked up and VSV disabled though i can help with that ![thumleft [thumleft]](images/smiles/icon_thumleft.gif) |
How long will hooking the MBC up take mate? Car's still in the garage but should get it back this weekend. |
meant to say, it should only take a few minutes, although blocking up the VSV was a total b*stard on the mr2 so may take longer
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
loudandproud205 IMOC Organiser
Joined: 30 Aug 2009 Posts: 1497 Location: lincolnshire Feedback Score: 5
1989 Toyota MR2 Mk2 Turbo Rev1
|
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:07 am Post subject: |
|
|
yeah thats what i did set it low then 3rd gear full boost,
i repeated in 4th just to make sure all was tickety boo
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
jimGTS
Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Posts: 12142 Location: Medway, Kent Feedback Score: 30
1998 Toyota MR2 Mk2 Turbo Rev5
|
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:13 am Post subject: |
|
|
| ebc > mbc any day of the week.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
|