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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:44 pm    Post subject: Hello and some noobie Mk1 questions Reply with quote Reply with quote including images

Firstly a big hello, i`ve had a look around your forum and it looks great. I`ve recently sold my Supra Twin Turbo and am now looking for some extra kicks. I`m presently looking at purchasing a Mk1 MR2 purely for trackday use.
My question concerns the bodykit. I`m intending on completely stripping the interior, dash, spare, washer bottles and everything like that to lighten it as best i can. But if i were to remove all the bodykit and rear spoiler is it going to upset the handling? I doubt the car will ever reach more than 100 mph on any of the tracks i`m thinking of running it on, so would the full removal of the bodykit upset the handling or is it best to leave it on? Has anyone ever tried this? Many thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Reply with quote including images

as the spoiler is a 10 min bolt on/off job give it a try and let us know what you find [Wink]
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Reply with quote including images

The rear spoiler wasn`t really a worry as i don`t think that`ll do much below top speed. Its the skirt kit i was a bit more worried about. What do you think?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Reply with quote including images

I read the spoiler creates low pressure over the engine which aids the flow of air over the engine and increases cooling. Id leave it be.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Reply with quote including images

The American market mk1 didn't have a rear spoiler did it? I wouldn't imagine it would make that much difference sub 100mph.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Reply with quote including images

King Stromba wrote:
I read the spoiler creates low pressure over the engine which aids the flow of air over the engine and increases cooling. Id leave it be.


Sounds like a good point but equally i have seen the odd one in Japan without. I wonder if you jack the hatch above the engine up by 10mm along the opening edge it would have the same effect by creating a draw of air through the engine compartment?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Reply with quote including images

Very early Mk1's came without the spoiler but Toyota added the spoiler because of excessive lift at the back end, the spolier almost eliminates the lift but not quite.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Reply with quote including images

Digital wrote:
The American market mk1 didn't have a rear spoiler did it? I wouldn't imagine it would make that much difference sub 100mph.


IIRC, there was a lower spec'ed mk1 in the US with a sub 1600cc engine which didn't have the rear spoiler.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Reply with quote including images

Ok, i`ll probably leave that on then. I can`t see the side skirts doing an awful lot so i`ll sling them as i guess they probably weigh a bit.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Reply with quote including images

Speedy wrote:
Digital wrote:
The American market mk1 didn't have a rear spoiler did it? I wouldn't imagine it would make that much difference sub 100mph.


IIRC, there was a lower spec'ed mk1 in the US with a sub 1600cc engine which didn't have the rear spoiler.


They call it the 'stripper' ISTR! Windy up windows, godawful interior and seats, steel wheels etc... I think they got that version for both the 1500 and 1600 models.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Reply with quote including images

BTW, what year car is it? if its an 87+ then if you take the front splitter off they look bloody awful as that hides an area that had a steel panel on the earlier cars... so you'll get a kind of nasty hole (an unpleasant condition, so I'm told!).
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Reply with quote including images

The car i`m looking at buying is a late `86 car. I`ll have to read up on the differences between the a and b model to see which one this is.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Reply with quote including images

Speedy wrote:
Digital wrote:
The American market mk1 didn't have a rear spoiler did it? I wouldn't imagine it would make that much difference sub 100mph.


IIRC, there was a lower spec'ed mk1 in the US with a sub 1600cc engine which didn't have the rear spoiler.
aw10 had an eight valve engine from the Tercel about 80 BHP
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Reply with quote including images

For what its worth, I would leave the spoiler on JMHO.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Hello and some noobie Mk1 questions Reply with quote Reply with quote including images

Scarface GTti wrote:
I doubt the car will ever reach more than 100 mph on any of the tracks i`m thinking of running it on, so would the full removal of the bodykit upset the handling or is it best to leave it on?


Try it - see what happens [Wink] [Razz]

If it handles like jelly - put it back on! (probably easier to mess about with the spoiler than the skirts etc)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Reply with quote including images

King Stromba wrote:
I read the spoiler creates low pressure over the engine which aids the flow of air over the engine and increases cooling. Id leave it be.


Yeah, the transparent spoiler above the rear window (with Toyota written on it) is designed to help channel the airflow off the rear of the cabin and then directly down on to the central area of the main spoiler at the rear of the car. In so doing so the vast majority of the wind flow completely skips over the engine bay lid area and so creates a negative air pressure above the engine lid. This then encourages air to be drawn up from beneath the car and up through the engine bay and out of the open slats on the engine bay lid and so helping cooling the engine. Tell you what, these Toyota engineers, they ainít daft! [Wink]

During the 80ís my Dad had close links with Toyota dealers through his job - I still remember seeing the promotional literature when the car was launched when I was a kid. In this lit they had some photos of the MK1 wind tunnel testing and there was a side on shot showing the airflow doing just this. I was well impressed [Very Happy]

Not sure about the side skirts Iím afraid, but they look good! [Wink]
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Reply with quote including images



Not a bad pic but unfortunately doesn't show the engine bay. [Sad]

It does however show why so many Mk1 T-tops leak. Look at the airflow on the side window, the water gets blown up and over if the seal isn't good.

The rear triangles on the side skirts are designed to reduce the drag caused by the rear wheels IIRC.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Reply with quote including images

COOOL!!!! Thats 'em! [Very Happy] Wow, blast from the past there! [Very Happy] I seem to remember one a bit more side on which is where my Dad pointed out this negative pressure thing above the engine bay lid? Or it might just have been the picture at the top and the 20 years since have fogged my memories [Wink] Either way, you can still see the clear spoiler above the rear window doing itís job directing the air straight on to the main spoiler at the back. [Very Happy]
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Reply with quote including images

If you still have not bought a MKI, look for the early (1a) Pre '87 without body kit (as pictured above in Limey's post) also have a moon roof (sun roof) rather than T-Bars and are already slightly lighter than the 1a/b's with OEM body kits and T-Bars.

As far as rear spoiler is concerned, IMO it would not alter air-flow through the engine bay if removed as air is taken into the engine bay from the underside of the car. Air moving over the roof creates a "vaccume" over the the engine bay lid thus drawing air up from under the car (if that makes sense...). This is also where the whole concept of bunny ears (air scoops) breaks apart.
The spoiler itself I'd imagine only ads to downforce - and being RWD, it's quite important (unlike some chaved up hatch backs with bi-plane wings stuck on with pritstick [Rolling Eyes] )

Good luck with the project and welcome to IMOC [Cool]
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Reply with quote including images

O.k guys, i think i`ll leave the kit on and look at saving weight from other places. The interior and dash will be coming out so that will weigh a bit. Anyone know the best place to get a rollcage from for a Mk1?
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