JLW's ( REV 3 GT spec Turbo, smg Tbar ) YVS Performance Built

[SonicSW20]

Surprising to me, but I'm not a mapper / expert in the field.

If I had seen 16V with a multimeter across the battery on my car I'd have been suspecting a failing voltage regulator. 10-12V at idle sounds low to me as well? Though perhaps the voltages the ECU sees are not the same as what you see across the battery terminals. As said, not my area!

[Dale_V]

A bit crappy that they mapped it on 16v, alternators in normal range go to the low 14's .. mines never gone past 14.1. I dont think id be too impressed

[JLW]

A bit crappy that they mapped it on 16v, alternators in normal range go to the low 14's .. mines never gone past 14.1. I dont think id be too impressed

Surely they would have seen the 16v's when being mapped ?
if this is the case and they went ahead then surely I should ask for the second
two hours ( one for fitting map gear and second for mapping ) to be free of
charge ?

[Dale_V]

A bit crappy that they mapped it on 16v, alternators in normal range go to the low 14's .. mines never gone past 14.1. I dont think id be too impressed

Surely they would have seen the 16v's when being mapped ?
if this is the case and they went ahead then surely I should ask for the second
two hours ( one for fitting map gear and second for mapping ) to be free of
charge ?

yeah they would have seen the voltage at the time...

if the car was 14v at the time of the map and its now 16v, then fitting a new alternator would mean it'd return to 14v and no need for mapping

If the car definitley needs to go back for a map after an alternator change then they knew it was previously mapped at 16.

I'd not be paying anyway

[SonicSW20]

You just can't catch a break JLW!

Hopefully they'll sort it the right way

[JLW]

Cheers Guys, I did ask Adrian this at the time, just wish I'd pressed home
the fact a little more, but once the end of the month comes around ill whip
the alternator off and get it re-conned and then call them saying they need
to sort it !

I dont want to fall out with them, but thats another £120 aside from the
fuel to get up there and back, along with probably another day off work !

[CROOKY1811]

Any more news on this?

[JLW]

Any more news on this?

So I called Dan at Fensport on Monday and he said he's going to speak to
Adrian about it. He hasn't called back yet and I'm going to call now to chase up
!, Dans a nice guy, but awful at getting back to you with stuff.

[JLW]

So .....

After a week of chasing every other day and getting "Haven't been able to
speak to him yet" I finally chased on Wednesday and got Adrian on the phone.

I believe I have the outcome we all agree I deserve ( FOC map corrections
due to being mapped at 16v in the first place ) However it wasn't without a
severe battle over the phone !

I tried for 15 minutes to get my point across, to which Adrian basically
waited for his turn to talk instead of listening. At the same time accusing me
of trying to "Bully" him into getting free work ! I've honestly never had a
discussion with someone who doesnt listen to what your trying to tell them
so bad in my life. And trust me I've had a few with work !

All I was trying to put across was that, if the car was mapped at 16v then
surely they should lower on map corrections FOC as it should have been a
warning sign in the first place. Adrian didn't listen at all and just got his back
up, He couldn't remember the first time it was mapped by Tom and himself,
And said he would have to find the log data to see if it was mapped at 16v.
To which I replied "perfect well then we will know if the alternator was faulty
then or after which answers my question for FOC or even if it needs corrections
once the alternator is re-conned"

To this I basically got, "this would be too much work to find so lets just agree
to do the map corrections if its the alternator causing the issue"......

He came to that conclusion himself even though I was trying for 15 minutes
in vain to tell him thats what I wanted !!!
Its a real shame as I've lost a lot of respect for Fensport over this. The amount
of effort I've had to put into getting a reply in the first place and then to be
accused of bullying them into doing what I believe and everyone else believes
is the correct thing has been ridiculous.

Im not earning any money from this ! I'm going to have to take a day off work,
5 hour round trip and at least a tanks worth of fuel ! I wish I had recorded the
phone call. It really was like talking to an offended brick wall without rhyme or
reason. Maybe its his defence mechanism but its not how I would conduct
business.

I will remove the alternator this Monday coming, get it re-conned and then
book in the map corrections. For when I go bigger turbo etc with YVS I
will certainly be considering another mapper.

Shame, I really like building business relationships with companies.

[Dale_V]

I had a feeling it would go like that

I'd also be a bit concerned that it now won't get the full attention/map that it deserves

[markstevieandmads]

Yeah id also be concerned he wont do the job properly if his attitude was like that.

What is wrong with these so called specialists these days? Ive tried getting work done by numerous specialists only to not be answered or given ridiculously high estimates??

[Hez]

In my experience owning 3 turbos, most "specialists" are full of poo and will push you into doing work that doesnt really need doing everyone is out to have your pants down. At the end of the day a engine is a engine there is nothing specialist about the MR2 really.

[Hez]

Thats not a dig at Fensport by the way they have been ok with me in the past and I had my work done at YVS and have nothing but praise for them, however i have wasted a lot of money in the past on the word of so called specialists.

[androo007]

I think the key is finding a mechanical specialist. I know that sounds funny but by that I mean not just a regular mechanic, but someone who really knows, understands, empathises, and most of all cares about cars and the work they do.

With that you get someone who will no doubt be experienced and interested in their work and often produce the best results. They don't have to be a specialist in a specific car, just in their industry.

[Madabout]

Hope you get it sorted Jordan. Fensport are a known name in the car community world so maybe were having a bad day. Hopefully they see the bigger picture for them as if there is the possibility they overlooked the issue when mapping then how they deal with customer service builds repeat business and customer recommendation.

[JLW]

Thanks Guys. Yeah I really wasnt happy with the phone call. But hey,
Im taking the alternator off tonight and will get it re-conned this week.
Then book in with them for the corrections.

Will keep you posted on any info.
Have a few new interior mods I've collected that I'm going to fit tonight also.

[JLW]

So removed the alternator last night with a little help from a couple of mates,
Started by taking off the NUR Spec ( prime opportunity to give it a proper
clean and polish ) and then followed the BGB instructions for removal.

Been a little while since I had got my hands dirty like this, but it came off in the
end




And off,



Will give it the process I have really found to work,
1st Harpic toilet cleaner and very light wire wool
2nd Jet wash off and dry
3rd Autosol and elbow grease
4th Maybe a detailing sealant to keep it free from grime ?

Took a photo of the way the belt came off to remember its bedding in groove's
Not sure if thats worth doing or not, but cant hurt ?



The offending culprit




And much leverage later, Whilst the exhaust is off I'm going to paint the boot
under tray thing with black hammerite, smarten up the area and protect from rust.
The winter coming was always going to be used to tidy up under the car.



Oh and as I'm sure you have guessed, Im now using IMGUR other then
Photobucket..... What a difference ! its smooth, fast and no bloody popups.
I will go through and change over all links in my thread at some point.
But as we all know its a big undertaking.

[Chumbaside]

Nice work!

I'm sure you're going to do this, but whip that heatshield off to paint it - that way you can check the boot floor for any signs of rust etc. My heatshield trapped quite a bit of water over the years...

I'm not sure Hammerite will stand up to the heat there - maybe best with some VHT paint? That's what I used and it's holding up well

Cheers,

Mark

[JLW]

Hi Mark

Didn't think off that, good idea tbh. yeah maybe ill paint it in heat paint then.
at the end of the day it is a heat shield right ?

Thanks for the tip, sometimes the obvious can go straight past you lol.

J.

[craig]

Nice work buddy. Sorry to hear of your woes with the car!